[PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT

Thu Jul 18 13:16:21 EDT 2013

Raymond,
PRCo/PATransit PCC 1644 is at Northern Ohio Railway Museum (NORM). In the
1990s it have very little rust on it. I have attached a photo of it in
2009. Note that it is rusting through. Today (2013) it has a "lovely" rust
color patina all over it. Soon all the paint will disappear, as will the
car, if they don't do something about the rusting.

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Lattner, Raymond <rlattner at pa.gov> wrote:

> Isn't there a PRCo PCC in a  museum up north somewhere, a 1400 series car?
> Is that car still around or has it been scrapped?
> If still existing anyone know the condition of car?
>
> Thanks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org [mailto:
> pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Dwight Long
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:39 PM
> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT
>
>
> John
>
> I think you will find that 304, the one I sent the photo of in service in
> the year 1953, went to and is at Fox River.  303 is shown at NORM.
>
> Ole debbil memory again!  I have the same problem, but believe I'm correct
> in this case.
>
> Dwight
>
> From: John Swindler
> Sent: Thursday, 18 July, 2013 11:23
> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT
>
>
> Thanks for info on 302.  Suspected it became a 'parts' car, but that was
> just a guess.
>
> When Trolleyville collection dispersed in 2009, 304 went to Northern Ohio
> and 303 went to Fox River.  (Should check the museum websites to  verify
> the latter two car numbers - not good to rely on memory).
>
> Of course this list is more familiar with certain other parts of the
> dispersion:  4145, 2227 and Toledo to PTM, plus a freight motor  destined
> to become a 'parts' car.
>
>
>
> > From: hrbran at cavtel.net
> > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:10:25 -0400
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT
> >
> > John,
> > Cars 302, 303, 304 and 306 were sold, by SHRT, to Gerald Brookins in
> 1954.
> > Car 302 was scrapped by Gerald Brookins in 1985 and used for parts. Car
> 306
> > went to Illinois Railway Museum in 1992. My paperwork only goes as far as
> > 1999 and does not indicate the disposition of cars 303 and 304. These two
> > were still at Trolleyville in 1999.
> >
> > Interesting to note is that an agreement was signed between SHRT and
> > Cleveland Transit System concerning these cars. The agreement stipulated
> > that this series of SHRT car would not be operated in what was to become
> > the "joint operational territory" between East 55th Street and Terminal
> > Tower Station. Their last date of operation was March 14, 1955. The cars
> > were slow (it was felt they would slow down operations in the joint
> > territory) and also the required "trip arms" (which had to be installed
> as
> > a safety factor for use in the joint territory) would be too hard to
> > install in these cars.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:40 PM, John Swindler <j_swindler at hotmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Didn't Brookins save four of those Fox River Cars???
> > >
> > > One went to IRM, one went to Northern Ohio, one went to Fox River.
>  Assume
> > > the fourth might have been scrapped somewhere along the line for parts.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> > > > To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> > > > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:35:32 -0400
> > > > CC: 1artwheeler at gmail.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Guys
> > > >
> > > > Here is a real Peter Witt car, however, on 25 August 1953, no longer
> > > being used in Peter Witt fare collection mode, but rather one man,
> front
> > > entrance.  This at Public Square a few months before the last line,
> > > Madison, Crumped.
> > > >
> > > > And forget those old center door clunkers beloved only by
> Clevelanders
> > > (Sorry Dennis and JWV!).  Here is the real deal of a gem on SHRT, same
> day
> > > as above, 304 at Shaker Square.  Yes, I rode it out from Terminal
> Tower.
> > >  Sorry it is not a very good photo compositionwise, but it sure brings
> back
> > > memories.  For those who may not know, these 1923-built St. Louis cars
> were
> > > second hand from the Aurora, Fox River and Elgin interurban in
> Illinois, a
> > > portion of which is still in use as the Fox  River Trolley Museum.
>  This
> > > very car was saved and lived for years at Brookins, but is now back
> home at
> > > South Elgin.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dwight
> > > >
> > > > From: Bob Rathke
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 17 July, 2013 14:32
> > > > To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] How far off TRACK can we get????
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Getting back on track, I am attaching three photos that I took on the
> > > SHR T in the mid-60's:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - PCC 94 at Shaker Square on 9/15/66 (94 is now at PTM).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - PCC 95 at Shaker Square  leading an outbound 3-car train onto the
> Van
> > > Aiken line on 9/15/66.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Body of a  double-end trolley that may have been used as an
> > > office/storage facility. Taken  at Van Aiken loop on 8/15/64.  Note the
> > > person in the fourth window from the right who appears to be writing
> at a
> > > desk.   Does anyone kn ow the  number/history of this car?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> > > > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
> > > pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:40:33 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] How far off TRACK can we get????
> > > >
> > > > And remember, Derrick, when you could hand your luggage to an airline
> > > representative at the curb and he would tag it and it would go onto the
> > > plane.  You didn't even have to carry it into the terminal.    Back in
> the
> > > days when they wanted business .... before they give you the business.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 17, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Derrick Brashear wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Airlines?   I can remember when you could dash up to the gate with
> 15
> > > > >> minutes to spare, get on the plane and go ....
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Me too. July 2001. 28x was late, I got to the airport at 8:06am and
> > > was not
> > > > > the last person seated on my 8:15 departure, which left on time.
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