[PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum

Edward H. Lybarger trams2 at comcast.net
Sat Jul 20 08:24:57 EDT 2013 

No she didn't.  I did that!

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From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of John
Swindler
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:43 PM
To: Western PA Trolley discussion
Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum

 
 
 
Ask Ed Lybarger.  Janis posted a pix of Ed with one of the 'girls'.
 
 
 

 
> From: allmanr at verizon.net
> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 17:39:57 -0400
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
> 
> do they give free samples?!
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" 
> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
> 
> 
> John:
> 
> All sorts of stuff on line about Skagway Brothel tours . and Ed is 
> correct . worth it.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU-MSZayplM
> 
> http://www.redonion1898.com/history.html
> 
> 
> On Jul 19, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Attached are a couple of photos I took in Ft. Worth on 10/24/74.  Those 
> > trolleys were ex-DC PCC's.   The first photo is of the rear of the car, 
> > and second photo shows the original PCC front end.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> >
> > From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" 
> > <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> > But nothing has yet been said about when Seashore regauged or 
> > retrucked the car. It is not necessarily true that because the 
> > acquired the car in the 60s that they did the conversion right away.  
> > AIR it took Branford a decade or more to retruck their PSTC car.  I 
> > don't know the answer to that.  But is it not true that by the 1970s 
> > the first replacement of CTA PCC rapid cars was in progress?  I seem 
> > to recall that Leonard Brothers bought several sets from them as 
> > spares for their subway operation-it could have been in the 80s though.
But so could Seashore's conversion.
> > Unless we ask someone from there when it was done, and how, we are 
> > just speculating.
> >
> > But that is something we are good at!
> >
> > Dwight
> >
> > From: John Swindler
> > Sent: Friday, 19 July, 2013 13:30
> > To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
> >
> >
> > Except CTA was not scrapping PCC rapid transit cars in 1960s, and 
> > Boston
> > (figuratively) was just around the corner.
> >
> > This is somewhat of a sequel to previous thread about B&O overnight 
> > trains.  If CTA gives a system pass to a railfan employee, he'll 
> > spend his time-off riding and photographing 4000s on the northside 'el'.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:07:54 -0400
> >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
> >>
> >>
> >> Fred
> >>
> >> But who's to say they did not buy a set or sets of trucks in advance? 
> >> Also, could not Chicago PCC rapid car trucks be used-of course air 
> >> brakes would have to be fitted.
> >>
> >> Dwight
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Fred Schneider
> >> Sent: Friday, 19 July, 2013 11:57
> >> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum You would have 
> >> had to cut the extension rings off the axle housings.
> >> Put bearings in the end of the shorter axle housings if they had a
place 
> >> to put them.   Install shorter axles.   Then, since this is an air car,

> >> you would need to fabricate new, shorter brake beams.   It would be a
lot 
> >> easier than a outside framed truck ..
> >>
> >> BUT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO FIND A PAIR OF TRUCKS OF
THE 
> >> RIGHT GAUGE IN THE SCRAP HEAP SOMEWHERE ELSE.    That car would have
come 
> >> to Seashore in the mid to late 1960s.   The Montreal cars were gone in 
> >> 1959.   Washington's cars were gone by 1962.   But Boston may have had 
> >> standard gauge air cards then and one of the Seashore members 
> >> worked for MTA / MBTA in the shops.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 19, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:
> >>
> >>> I thought the book, PCC the Car That Fought Back, indicated it was 
> >>> relatively easy to change the gauge of the trucks?
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
> >>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On 
> >>> Behalf Of John Swindler
> >>> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:38 AM
> >>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We tend to use the term 're-gauge', which implies modifying the 
> >>> original trucks.  But suspect it would be a lot cheaper to swap 
> >>> for trucks that are already standard gauge.  In the end, same 
> >>> difference - 1440 is operable on Seashore track, only quicker and
cheaper.
> >>>
> >>> PTM has the opposite problem - finding broad gauge trucks to fit 
> >>> under standard gauge equipment without going to expense of 
> >>> re-gauging.  I suspect the Boston dump car is an example.  
> >>> However, the open car did not lend itself to an easy expedient.
> >>>
> >>> Never paid much attention to re-gauging issues until the Trolley 
> >>> Fare accounts on work that had to be done for several recent PTM 
> >>> acquisitions.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> >>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >>>> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 03:20:42 -0400
> >>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> John
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps so they could operate it on their standard gauge track?  
> >>>> What am I missing in this question?
> >>>>
> >>>> Dwight
> >>>>
> >>>> From: John Swindler
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, 18 July, 2013 21:51
> >>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> huh, Fred???
> >>>>
> >>>> Alan Pegler never had a Royal Scot.  Those were 
> >>>> London-Midland-Scottish
> >>>> 4-6-0 types used on the West Coast main line.  The first one - 
> >>>> #6100 Royal Scot  has been preserved.
> >>>>
> >>>> The "Flying Scotsman" is an  A-3 class London and Northeastern 
> >>>> 'pacific' type loco used on the East Coast main line.
> >>>>
> >>>> The only similarity is that both made trips to US, but neither 
> >>>> you nor I ever saw the Royal Scot in this country - it's US visit 
> >>>> was during 1930s.
> >>>>
> >>>> As for PRC 1440, finding this link falls into the category of 
> >>>> just dumb luck.  Any reason Seashore would re-gauge the PRC 
> >>>> trucks rather than use an extra set of Boston PCC trucks????
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.trolleymuseum.org/collection/browse.php?id=01440SPA
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: fwschneider at comcast.net
> >>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 19:49:27 -0400
> >>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here is a link to 1440 on Seashore's web site.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.trolleymuseum.org/collection/browse.php?id=01440SPA
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have no idea what shape it is in today.  Remember when Alan
Pegler's 
> >>>>> Royal Scot  (4472) was running in the U. S. A?    I think it is
called 
> >>>>> the Flying Scotsman today and there is a joke on line about 
> >>>>> renaming it after the prime minister by simply removing the F from
the name.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, I think that might have been about 1969.   I went up on the 
> >>>>> Night Clunker from Philly to Providence and met Bill Middleton 
> >>>>> (the Navy had him in Newport, RI then) and we spent the weekend
chasing a
> >>>>> British steam engine and riding trolleys at Seashore.   That was the

> >>>>> only time I saw 1440 and it looked pretty good them.    I have been
up 
> >>>>> that way one or two times since but I didn't see it out.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jul 18, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> It was operable at that time.  I presume it still is...can't 
> >>>>>> find a photo of it -- or most other cars -- on their website.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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