[PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
John Swindler
j_swindler at hotmail.com
Fri Jul 19 17:42:53 EDT 2013
Ask Ed Lybarger. Janis posted a pix of Ed with one of the 'girls'.
> From: allmanr at verizon.net
> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 17:39:57 -0400
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>
> do they give free samples?!
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>
>
> John:
>
> All sorts of stuff on line about Skagway Brothel tours … and Ed is correct …
> worth it.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU-MSZayplM
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> http://www.redonion1898.com/history.html
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>
> On Jul 19, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Attached are a couple of photos I took in Ft. Worth on 10/24/74. Those
> > trolleys were ex-DC PCC's. The first photo is of the rear of the car,
> > and second photo shows the original PCC front end.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> >
> > From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
> > <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> > But nothing has yet been said about when Seashore regauged or retrucked
> > the car. It is not necessarily true that because the acquired the car in
> > the 60s that they did the conversion right away. AIR it took Branford a
> > decade or more to retruck their PSTC car. I don’t know the answer to
> > that. But is it not true that by the 1970s the first replacement of CTA
> > PCC rapid cars was in progress? I seem to recall that Leonard Brothers
> > bought several sets from them as spares for their subway operation—it
> > could have been in the 80s though. But so could Seashore’s conversion.
> > Unless we ask someone from there when it was done, and how, we are just
> > speculating.
> >
> > But that is something we are good at!
> >
> > Dwight
> >
> > From: John Swindler
> > Sent: Friday, 19 July, 2013 13:30
> > To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
> >
> >
> > Except CTA was not scrapping PCC rapid transit cars in 1960s, and Boston
> > (figuratively) was just around the corner.
> >
> > This is somewhat of a sequel to previous thread about B&O overnight
> > trains. If CTA gives a system pass to a railfan employee, he'll spend his
> > time-off riding and photographing 4000s on the northside 'el'.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:07:54 -0400
> >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
> >>
> >>
> >> Fred
> >>
> >> But who’s to say they did not buy a set or sets of trucks in advance?
> >> Also, could not Chicago PCC rapid car trucks be used—of course air brakes
> >> would have to be fitted.
> >>
> >> Dwight
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Fred Schneider
> >> Sent: Friday, 19 July, 2013 11:57
> >> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
> >> You would have had to cut the extension rings off the axle housings.
> >> Put bearings in the end of the shorter axle housings if they had a place
> >> to put them. Install shorter axles. Then, since this is an air car,
> >> you would need to fabricate new, shorter brake beams. It would be a lot
> >> easier than a outside framed truck ….
> >>
> >> BUT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO FIND A PAIR OF TRUCKS OF THE
> >> RIGHT GAUGE IN THE SCRAP HEAP SOMEWHERE ELSE. That car would have come
> >> to Seashore in the mid to late 1960s. The Montreal cars were gone in
> >> 1959. Washington's cars were gone by 1962. But Boston may have had
> >> standard gauge air cards then and one of the Seashore members worked for
> >> MTA / MBTA in the shops.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 19, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:
> >>
> >>> I thought the book, PCC the Car That Fought Back, indicated it was
> >>> relatively easy to change the gauge of the trucks?
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
> >>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> >>> John Swindler
> >>> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:38 AM
> >>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We tend to use the term 're-gauge', which implies modifying the original
> >>> trucks. But suspect it would be a lot cheaper to swap for trucks that
> >>> are already standard gauge. In the end, same difference - 1440 is
> >>> operable on Seashore track, only quicker and cheaper.
> >>>
> >>> PTM has the opposite problem - finding broad gauge trucks to fit under
> >>> standard gauge equipment without going to expense of re-gauging. I
> >>> suspect the Boston dump car is an example. However, the open car did
> >>> not lend itself to an easy expedient.
> >>>
> >>> Never paid much attention to re-gauging issues until the Trolley Fare
> >>> accounts on work that had to be done for several recent PTM
> >>> acquisitions.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> >>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >>>> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 03:20:42 -0400
> >>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> John
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps so they could operate it on their standard gauge track? What
> >>>> am I missing in this question?
> >>>>
> >>>> Dwight
> >>>>
> >>>> From: John Swindler
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, 18 July, 2013 21:51
> >>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> huh, Fred???
> >>>>
> >>>> Alan Pegler never had a Royal Scot. Those were London-Midland-Scottish
> >>>> 4-6-0 types used on the West Coast main line. The first one - #6100
> >>>> Royal Scot has been preserved.
> >>>>
> >>>> The "Flying Scotsman" is an A-3 class London and Northeastern
> >>>> 'pacific' type loco used on the East Coast main line.
> >>>>
> >>>> The only similarity is that both made trips to US, but neither you nor
> >>>> I ever saw the Royal Scot in this country - it's US visit was during
> >>>> 1930s.
> >>>>
> >>>> As for PRC 1440, finding this link falls into the category of just dumb
> >>>> luck. Any reason Seashore would re-gauge the PRC trucks rather than
> >>>> use an extra set of Boston PCC trucks????
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.trolleymuseum.org/collection/browse.php?id=01440SPA
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: fwschneider at comcast.net
> >>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 19:49:27 -0400
> >>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here is a link to 1440 on Seashore's web site.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.trolleymuseum.org/collection/browse.php?id=01440SPA
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have no idea what shape it is in today. Remember when Alan Pegler's
> >>>>> Royal Scot (4472) was running in the U. S. A? I think it is called
> >>>>> the Flying Scotsman today and there is a joke on line about renaming
> >>>>> it after the prime minister by simply removing the F from the name.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, I think that might have been about 1969. I went up on the
> >>>>> Night Clunker from Philly to Providence and met Bill Middleton (the
> >>>>> Navy had him in Newport, RI then) and we spent the weekend chasing a
> >>>>> British steam engine and riding trolleys at Seashore. That was the
> >>>>> only time I saw 1440 and it looked pretty good them. I have been up
> >>>>> that way one or two times since but I didn't see it out.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jul 18, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> It was operable at that time. I presume it still is...can't find a
> >>>>>> photo of it -- or most other cars -- on their website.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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