[PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
Richard Allman
allmanr at verizon.net
Fri Jul 19 17:39:57 EDT 2013
do they give free samples?!
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From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
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Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
John:
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On Jul 19, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:
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> Attached are a couple of photos I took in Ft. Worth on 10/24/74. Those
> trolleys were ex-DC PCC's. The first photo is of the rear of the car,
> and second photo shows the original PCC front end.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net>
> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
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>
> John
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> But nothing has yet been said about when Seashore regauged or retrucked
> the car. It is not necessarily true that because the acquired the car in
> the 60s that they did the conversion right away. AIR it took Branford a
> decade or more to retruck their PSTC car. I don’t know the answer to
> that. But is it not true that by the 1970s the first replacement of CTA
> PCC rapid cars was in progress? I seem to recall that Leonard Brothers
> bought several sets from them as spares for their subway operation—it
> could have been in the 80s though. But so could Seashore’s conversion.
> Unless we ask someone from there when it was done, and how, we are just
> speculating.
>
> But that is something we are good at!
>
> Dwight
>
> From: John Swindler
> Sent: Friday, 19 July, 2013 13:30
> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>
>
> Except CTA was not scrapping PCC rapid transit cars in 1960s, and Boston
> (figuratively) was just around the corner.
>
> This is somewhat of a sequel to previous thread about B&O overnight
> trains. If CTA gives a system pass to a railfan employee, he'll spend his
> time-off riding and photographing 4000s on the northside 'el'.
>
>
>
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>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:07:54 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>>
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> But who’s to say they did not buy a set or sets of trucks in advance?
>> Also, could not Chicago PCC rapid car trucks be used—of course air brakes
>> would have to be fitted.
>>
>> Dwight
>>
>>
>> From: Fred Schneider
>> Sent: Friday, 19 July, 2013 11:57
>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>> You would have had to cut the extension rings off the axle housings.
>> Put bearings in the end of the shorter axle housings if they had a place
>> to put them. Install shorter axles. Then, since this is an air car,
>> you would need to fabricate new, shorter brake beams. It would be a lot
>> easier than a outside framed truck ….
>>
>> BUT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO FIND A PAIR OF TRUCKS OF THE
>> RIGHT GAUGE IN THE SCRAP HEAP SOMEWHERE ELSE. That car would have come
>> to Seashore in the mid to late 1960s. The Montreal cars were gone in
>> 1959. Washington's cars were gone by 1962. But Boston may have had
>> standard gauge air cards then and one of the Seashore members worked for
>> MTA / MBTA in the shops.
>>
>>
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>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:
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>>> I thought the book, PCC the Car That Fought Back, indicated it was
>>> relatively easy to change the gauge of the trucks?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
>>> John Swindler
>>> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:38 AM
>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We tend to use the term 're-gauge', which implies modifying the original
>>> trucks. But suspect it would be a lot cheaper to swap for trucks that
>>> are already standard gauge. In the end, same difference - 1440 is
>>> operable on Seashore track, only quicker and cheaper.
>>>
>>> PTM has the opposite problem - finding broad gauge trucks to fit under
>>> standard gauge equipment without going to expense of re-gauging. I
>>> suspect the Boston dump car is an example. However, the open car did
>>> not lend itself to an easy expedient.
>>>
>>> Never paid much attention to re-gauging issues until the Trolley Fare
>>> accounts on work that had to be done for several recent PTM
>>> acquisitions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>>>> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 03:20:42 -0400
>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps so they could operate it on their standard gauge track? What
>>>> am I missing in this question?
>>>>
>>>> Dwight
>>>>
>>>> From: John Swindler
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 18 July, 2013 21:51
>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> huh, Fred???
>>>>
>>>> Alan Pegler never had a Royal Scot. Those were London-Midland-Scottish
>>>> 4-6-0 types used on the West Coast main line. The first one - #6100
>>>> Royal Scot has been preserved.
>>>>
>>>> The "Flying Scotsman" is an A-3 class London and Northeastern
>>>> 'pacific' type loco used on the East Coast main line.
>>>>
>>>> The only similarity is that both made trips to US, but neither you nor
>>>> I ever saw the Royal Scot in this country - it's US visit was during
>>>> 1930s.
>>>>
>>>> As for PRC 1440, finding this link falls into the category of just dumb
>>>> luck. Any reason Seashore would re-gauge the PRC trucks rather than
>>>> use an extra set of Boston PCC trucks????
>>>>
>>>> http://www.trolleymuseum.org/collection/browse.php?id=01440SPA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: fwschneider at comcast.net
>>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 19:49:27 -0400
>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a link to 1440 on Seashore's web site.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.trolleymuseum.org/collection/browse.php?id=01440SPA
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea what shape it is in today. Remember when Alan Pegler's
>>>>> Royal Scot (4472) was running in the U. S. A? I think it is called
>>>>> the Flying Scotsman today and there is a joke on line about renaming
>>>>> it after the prime minister by simply removing the F from the name.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I think that might have been about 1969. I went up on the
>>>>> Night Clunker from Philly to Providence and met Bill Middleton (the
>>>>> Navy had him in Newport, RI then) and we spent the weekend chasing a
>>>>> British steam engine and riding trolleys at Seashore. That was the
>>>>> only time I saw 1440 and it looked pretty good them. I have been up
>>>>> that way one or two times since but I didn't see it out.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 18, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It was operable at that time. I presume it still is...can't find a
>>>>>> photo of it -- or most other cars -- on their website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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