[PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
Fred Schneider
fwschneider at comcast.net
Fri Jul 19 21:01:42 EDT 2013
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On Jul 19, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Richard Allman wrote:
> do they give free samples?!
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 4:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
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>
> John:
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> On Jul 19, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Attached are a couple of photos I took in Ft. Worth on 10/24/74. Those
>> trolleys were ex-DC PCC's. The first photo is of the rear of the car,
>> and second photo shows the original PCC front end.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
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>>
>> From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net>
>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
>> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
>> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 1:41:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>> But nothing has yet been said about when Seashore regauged or retrucked
>> the car. It is not necessarily true that because the acquired the car in
>> the 60s that they did the conversion right away. AIR it took Branford a
>> decade or more to retruck their PSTC car. I don’t know the answer to
>> that. But is it not true that by the 1970s the first replacement of CTA
>> PCC rapid cars was in progress? I seem to recall that Leonard Brothers
>> bought several sets from them as spares for their subway operation—it
>> could have been in the 80s though. But so could Seashore’s conversion.
>> Unless we ask someone from there when it was done, and how, we are just
>> speculating.
>>
>> But that is something we are good at!
>>
>> Dwight
>>
>> From: John Swindler
>> Sent: Friday, 19 July, 2013 13:30
>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>>
>>
>> Except CTA was not scrapping PCC rapid transit cars in 1960s, and Boston
>> (figuratively) was just around the corner.
>>
>> This is somewhat of a sequel to previous thread about B&O overnight
>> trains. If CTA gives a system pass to a railfan employee, he'll spend his
>> time-off riding and photographing 4000s on the northside 'el'.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>>> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 13:07:54 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>>>
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> But who’s to say they did not buy a set or sets of trucks in advance?
>>> Also, could not Chicago PCC rapid car trucks be used—of course air brakes
>>> would have to be fitted.
>>>
>>> Dwight
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Fred Schneider
>>> Sent: Friday, 19 July, 2013 11:57
>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>>> You would have had to cut the extension rings off the axle housings.
>>> Put bearings in the end of the shorter axle housings if they had a place
>>> to put them. Install shorter axles. Then, since this is an air car,
>>> you would need to fabricate new, shorter brake beams. It would be a lot
>>> easier than a outside framed truck ….
>>>
>>> BUT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO FIND A PAIR OF TRUCKS OF THE
>>> RIGHT GAUGE IN THE SCRAP HEAP SOMEWHERE ELSE. That car would have come
>>> to Seashore in the mid to late 1960s. The Montreal cars were gone in
>>> 1959. Washington's cars were gone by 1962. But Boston may have had
>>> standard gauge air cards then and one of the Seashore members worked for
>>> MTA / MBTA in the shops.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Lattner, Raymond wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought the book, PCC the Car That Fought Back, indicated it was
>>>> relatively easy to change the gauge of the trucks?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
>>>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> John Swindler
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:38 AM
>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We tend to use the term 're-gauge', which implies modifying the original
>>>> trucks. But suspect it would be a lot cheaper to swap for trucks that
>>>> are already standard gauge. In the end, same difference - 1440 is
>>>> operable on Seashore track, only quicker and cheaper.
>>>>
>>>> PTM has the opposite problem - finding broad gauge trucks to fit under
>>>> standard gauge equipment without going to expense of re-gauging. I
>>>> suspect the Boston dump car is an example. However, the open car did
>>>> not lend itself to an easy expedient.
>>>>
>>>> Never paid much attention to re-gauging issues until the Trolley Fare
>>>> accounts on work that had to be done for several recent PTM
>>>> acquisitions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>>>>> Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 03:20:42 -0400
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps so they could operate it on their standard gauge track? What
>>>>> am I missing in this question?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dwight
>>>>>
>>>>> From: John Swindler
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 18 July, 2013 21:51
>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> huh, Fred???
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan Pegler never had a Royal Scot. Those were London-Midland-Scottish
>>>>> 4-6-0 types used on the West Coast main line. The first one - #6100
>>>>> Royal Scot has been preserved.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "Flying Scotsman" is an A-3 class London and Northeastern
>>>>> 'pacific' type loco used on the East Coast main line.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only similarity is that both made trips to US, but neither you nor
>>>>> I ever saw the Royal Scot in this country - it's US visit was during
>>>>> 1930s.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for PRC 1440, finding this link falls into the category of just dumb
>>>>> luck. Any reason Seashore would re-gauge the PRC trucks rather than
>>>>> use an extra set of Boston PCC trucks????
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.trolleymuseum.org/collection/browse.php?id=01440SPA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: fwschneider at comcast.net
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 19:49:27 -0400
>>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRC 1400 Series PCC in Museum
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a link to 1440 on Seashore's web site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.trolleymuseum.org/collection/browse.php?id=01440SPA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no idea what shape it is in today. Remember when Alan Pegler's
>>>>>> Royal Scot (4472) was running in the U. S. A? I think it is called
>>>>>> the Flying Scotsman today and there is a joke on line about renaming
>>>>>> it after the prime minister by simply removing the F from the name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I think that might have been about 1969. I went up on the
>>>>>> Night Clunker from Philly to Providence and met Bill Middleton (the
>>>>>> Navy had him in Newport, RI then) and we spent the weekend chasing a
>>>>>> British steam engine and riding trolleys at Seashore. That was the
>>>>>> only time I saw 1440 and it looked pretty good them. I have been up
>>>>>> that way one or two times since but I didn't see it out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 18, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was operable at that time. I presume it still is...can't find a
>>>>>>> photo of it -- or most other cars -- on their website.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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