[PRCo] Harrisburg (and Middletown) Airports
John Swindler
j_swindler at hotmail.com
Sat Apr 26 21:05:49 EDT 2014
Our best fare to Seattle last year was from Harrisburg. Of course we took the scenic route via Charlotte.
The 1975 Harrisburg Transportation Plan includes a rail station on the adjacent Harrisburg-Philly rail line. After the expressways in the plan were mostly built, time for another plan.
> From: fwschneider at comcast.net
> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 20:06:18 -0400
> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Harrisburg (and Middletown) Airports
>
> And a lot of those airports have no service today. Lancaster is off and on .. a few months a year some fool tries to run shuttle service to somewhere and then gives up. Reading has had no commercial flights in years … makes it idea for an annual World War II reenactment because they can ground civil aviation for a day and have fun. Why bother … Harrisburg and Philadelphia are only 100 miles apart and both now have jet service to many major points in the US. I can drive 30 miles to MDT and catch a jet to Chicago. Who needs Lancaster.
>
> Notice that three guys are monopolizing DB's website. It isn't about twolleys.
>
>
> On Apr 26, 2014, at 7:45 PM, Dwight Long wrote:
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> >
> > Fred
> >
> > I flew one of them from PIT to State College (Black Moshannon airport) once. Stopped in Johnstown on the way and they only turned off the engine on the pax door side. Unloaded, loaded, and we were away in 5 or 10 minutes.
> >
> > Dwight
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Fred Schneider
> > To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 6:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Harrisburg (and Middletown) Airports
> >
> >
> > They do now. But remember when Agony Airlines had those DC3s that crossed the state stopping everywhere in route? Back then, they flew into Capital City. You could actually fly from Harrisburg to Lancaster (but it would take you forever to get from either airport into the city) and you could do it downtown to downtown by train … 36 miles … in 30 minutes.
> >
> >
> > On Apr 26, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Dwight Long wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Fred
> >>
> >> Thanks for that. But it apparently has no commercial flights--all now seem to go to Middletown.
> >>
> >> Dwight
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Fred Schneider
> >> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 11:37 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines
> >>
> >>
> >> The earlier airport was and still is New Cumberland, aka Capitol City Aiport (HAR).
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_City_Airport_(Pennsylvania)
> >>
> >> The old Olmstead Air Force Base was closed c. 1963.
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrisburg_International_Airport
> >>
> >> I've flown into both … meaning I was the pilot. The FAA written test was given at Capitol City so I flew into it to take the written test. I had a flight instructor who told me I was "ground shy" so he forced me to fly five feet off the ground at MDT for several miles … you can do that on a long runway designed for jets. WHERE IS THIS ALL LEADING. NOWHERE. The property tax bill came and I woke up and figured it was more important to keep the house I had just built than playing around flying single engine planes. Never did get my license but I was within a couple hours of the final check flight back in 1976. It was fun playing.
> >>
> >> It all started when I did an article for TRAINS on the Erie Lackawanna and figured the only way I could show the proximity of expensive homes to the railroad was aerial photography. It was fun while it lasted.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Apr 26, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Dwight Long wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Ed
> >>>
> >>> The sly point in all this was that it is Middletown’s airport by code, not Harrisburg’s.
> >>>
> >>> Harrisburg must have had an airport before they got MDT, but I think it may have been before the codes were assigned as HBG is assigned to Hattiesburg, Miss. I find it hard to believe that the latter beat Harrisburg to the punch in having a commercial airport.
> >>>
> >>> Even more fun can be had with asking the question about Cincinnati--------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Dwight
> >>>
> >>> From: Edward H. Lybarger
> >>> Sent: Saturday, 26 April, 2014 08:37
> >>> To: 'Western PA Trolley discussion'
> >>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines
> >>> Today's Harrisburg International Airport (MDT) was the former Olmstead Air
> >>> Force Base near Middletown. Again, your tax dollars at play.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
> >>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> >>> Dwight Long
> >>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:07 PM
> >>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Fred
> >>>
> >>> I don't have a clue about the men in Hershey, unless they consumed too much
> >>> of the local product.
> >>>
> >>> The women in Hummelstown are perplexed because the last flood, supposedly a
> >>> 500 year episode, washed out the local railway bridge and they have been cut
> >>> off from Middletown for a couple of years. But not to worry, your Govt to
> >>> the rescue-the bridge is undergoing (maybe it is finished by now) a
> >>> multi-million dollar repair and the fair maidens will lament no more.
> >>>
> >>> I just came back from a train trip that went over a similarly Govt funded,
> >>> restored bridge-in White Deer, Pa., but the expenditure was only a paltry
> >>> million USD.
> >>>
> >>> Your tax dollars at work. Although I must admit I can think of far worse
> >>> uses for them.
> >>>
> >>> BTW, if one flies into Harrisburg (on commercial service), whose airport is
> >>> used?
> >>>
> >>> Dwight
> >>>
> >>> From: Fred Schneider
> >>> Sent: Thursday, 24 April, 2014 21:07
> >>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines
> >>> The men in Hershey and women in Hummelstown is perplexing. Why?
> >>>
> >>> Older versus younger might represent a change in how some state or federal
> >>> government agencies awarded parking spaces.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Apr 24, 2014, at 6:58 PM, John Swindler wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> When I first started riding the 7:20 am Hershey bus to Harrisburg around
> >>> 2000, ridership never exceeded 6 during first year, and occasionally I was
> >>> the only rider. After 5-6 years, a 40 foot bus was assigned when ridership
> >>> routinely exceeded 20. By 2010, a third bus was added to the schedule to
> >>> alleviate overcrowding.
> >>>>
> >>>> About the only constant for a dozen years was that I rode this bus. There
> >>> was constant change in the ridership. For a few years it was mostly women.
> >>> Then for a few years mostly men. Then switched back to women. At the end,
> >>> men tended to board in Hershey, while the women boarded in Hummelstown.
> >>> Even the age of riders fluctuated. Older riders in early years. A lot of
> >>> young people at the end.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:26:03 -0400
> >>>>> From: shadow at dementix.org
> >>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] 9/5/65 - Last day for PAT trolley lines
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Fred Schneider
> >>> <fwschneider at comcast.net>wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Unduplicated route miles in Toronto after the Bloor subway opened might
> >>>>>> have been around 40ish. At that time Pittsburgh was still running to
> >>>>>> McKeesport, Drake, Library, West View. Millvale and the West End
> >>>>>> One of my favorite examples is a comparison of two almost identical
> >>> cities .
> >>>>>> Harrisburg, Pa. and Victoria, BC. Both have populations on the same
> >>> order
> >>>>>> of magnitude but the Canadian city has ten times more bus riders
> >>>>>> than the Pennsylvania city . 150,000 on a weekday in Victoria versus
> >>> 15,000 in
> >>>>>> Harrisburg. You stand on the main streets in downtown Victoria in the
> >>>>>> rush hour and you see buses swallowing up crowds of people. I did that
> >>> in
> >>>>>> 2007. Harrisburg? Why would I humble myself to ride a bus? I own a
> >>> car.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Why would I do either? my bike certainly took me from Camp Hill to
> >>>>> the Eisenhower Interchange and back easily enough ;)
> >>>>>
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