[PRCo] so what was done to west penn 714?

Edward H. Lybarger trams2 at comcast.net
Wed Dec 3 11:31:09 EST 2014


The 250s that survived the arrival of the 830s were taken to Connellsville no later than May 1937 and were scrapped soon thereafter.  It is unlikely they were ever in service on the Irwin route, the dash sign for which would have contained Trafford as the westernmost community on the line at that point in time, so that artifact is clearly not from a West Penn “car 255.”  The West Penn headlights we have in our archive are not labeled for specific car numbers; that doesn’t say AV didn’t do that, but I have no evidence that they did.  Headlights were completely interchangeable, as were the destination signs (except for those on the 830s), thus it is extremely unlikely that West Penn would have spent the time and money to number them for individual cars.



This is not a matched pair!



From: D Brashear [mailto:shadow at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 11:19 AM
To: Edward H. Lybarger
Cc: Western PA Trolley discussion
Subject: Re: [PRCo] so what was done to west penn 714?



well, no claim the headsign was from 255, only the headlight.



On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net> wrote:

250-262 were ex-Allegheny Valley cars and did not have permanent headlights.  Neither did they have headsigns, as you note.  I detect snake oil.



From: D Brashear [mailto:shadow at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 9:36 AM
To: Edward H. Lybarger


Cc: Western PA Trolley discussion
Subject: Re: [PRCo] so what was done to west penn 714?



seemed fishy to me, he also posted a pic of a west penn headsign (sure) and a headlight he claimed was from west penn 255. so.



On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Edward H. Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net> wrote:

There is a reference to other HL equipment in this document.  Certainly not
applicable to any West Penn passenger cars.

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Well, that's the claim.

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