[PRCo] FYI-Pittsburgh Neighborhood Map

Thu May 30 16:31:17 EDT 2013

Ross Garage bus drivers usually referred to Northview Heights as Murder
Heights. The Devil made me say that............but it's true.

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Bob Rathke <bobrathke at comcast.net> wrote:

> The area northeast of the East St. Bridge was called Summer Hill - this
> area was lightly populated, and was between   City View  View and Reserve
> Townbship,   but after the public housing development there in
> 1961-62, Summer Hill  became known as Northview Heights.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "BobDietrich" <bob.dietrich1 at verizon.net>
> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:06:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] FYI-Pittsburgh Neighborhood Map
>
> There is a recent history of "Allegheny City: A History of Pittsburgh's
> North Side" available from Amazon and others.  It gets into all the
> NortSide
> neighborhoods, how the formed and who lived there.  Not much on streetcars
> but there is a photo of Derrick's ancestor.
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of
> Fred
> Schneider
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:31 PM
> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] FYI-Pittsburgh Neighborhood Map
>
> Destination 21 Fineview was route 125 Nunnery Hill.   You are correct.
> This line was built in 1908 and later.
>
> The observatory that Derrick's ancestor created on top of the hill was part
> of the Western University of Pennsylvania that moved to Oakland and was
> renamed University of Pittsburgh.  I think the university move took place
> just after the City of Allegheny became part of Pittsburgh.   So that would
> probably be 1910 or earlier.   Look it up in Wikipedia.
>
> Destination 8 Perrysville was route 106 Perrysville Avenue.   It began in
> December 1887 or February 1888 (I have two conflicting dates) from North
> Avenue over Federal Street as far as the Perrysville Plank Road under the
> name Observatory Hill Passenger Railway using underground power
> distribution
> (conduit).   In 1889 it became part of the Federal Street and Pleasant
> Valley Railway.
> By 1902 it was running as far as the East Street Extension.
>
> The observatory appears off Observatory Ave east of Perrysville on plate 5.
> Plate 4 may also be useful.
>
> http://digital.library.pitt.edu/maps/90v01ind.html
>
> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?view=entry;cc=maps
> ;
> entryid=x-90v01p05
>
> I think this clearly demonstrates, gentlemen, that what we are now calling
> Fineview and which was called Nunnery Hill after it became part of
> Pittsburgh, was Observatory Hill when it was the City of Allegheny.
>
> Eventually another observatory was erected on the northeast side of
> Riverview Park . I think it is Observatory Street off Perrysville Avenue .
> it is near the north end of Watson Blvd.   That would account for people
> not
> knowing where the original Observatory Hill Passenger Railway ran.
>
>
>
> On May 30, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Bob Rathke wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > My grandparents always referred to Fineview as Nunn ery Hill.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> >
> > From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion"
> > <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:36:38 AM
> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] FYI-Pittsburgh Neighborhood Map
> >
> >
> > I have a problem with the south side.   Mt. Oliver is an independent
> borough but the map shows it as part of the city.   It is that area
> surrounded by Knoxville, Carrick, Beltzhoover (not named), Arlington,
> Allentown, and the  slopes.
> >
> > East End?   The Lower Hill District used to be considered separate from
> the Hill District.   Highland Park is a city park.   Should that not be
> considered Highland.   Brushton is missing.
> >
> > I have a feeling in my gut that neighborhoods are being moved because we
> have no memory of where they were.  Have we forgotten places like Glenwood?
> Do Lincoln or Larimer actually touch Shadyside?   Should not Homewood touch
> S'Liberty?
> >
> > In the northside?   As we redeveloped it, we put new names on an old
> city.
> The entire north side was the City of Allegheny until the City of
> Pittsburgh
> orchestrated a takeover in nineteen aught and seven.   Now we have created
> areas called West Allegheny, Allegheny Center and East Allegheny and North
> Shore?   Huh?   I though they were just the Northside?  And how did
> Observatory Hill get moved all the way out to the city boundary?   Seems to
> me the old Observatory run by Mr. Brashaer at the college was in the
> Fineview District?????    That area they are calling Observatory Hill
> includes what we would have called Riverview Park and even far beyond that.
>
> >
> > But we have the same problem in a lot of cities.   Here in Lancaster
> County there were three villages on route 23 northeast of Lancaster:
> Leacock, Leola and Bareville in order as you go northeast.   Today no one
> seems to know where they were and we have moved them and overlapped them
> and
> in some cases you will find businesses in one village named after a town
> five miles away.   We don't remember.
> >
> > Try this map
> >
> > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/76/Pittsburgh_Pennsylvania_
> > neighborhoods_fade.svg
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 28, 2013, at 10:52 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:
> >
> >> Can anyone remember the East End neighborhood which is not listed on
> >> this map?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> wrote:
>
> >>
> >>> The last post made mention of a district of Pittsburgh called the
> >>> Flats, actually named South Side Flats. This is in opposition to
> >>> another neighborhood named South Side Slopes.
> >>>
> >>> I have attached a map of Pittsburgh neighborhoods since some areas
> >>> now have new names and some areas which never had names now do have
> names.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Herb Brannon
> >>> Back In The Burgh !
> >>> GO PENS !
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Herb Brannon
> >> Back In The Burgh !
> >> GO PENS !
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