[PRCo] FYI-Pittsburgh Neighborhood Map

Bob Rathke bobrathke at comcast.net
Thu May 30 16:59:47 EDT 2013 

All the time, Fred. 

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From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net> 
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org> 
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:41:03 PM 
Subject: Re: [PRCo] FYI-Pittsburgh Neighborhood Map 

We do things like that, don't we, Bob.   


On May 30, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Bob Rathke wrote: 

> The area northeast of the East St. Bridge was called Summer Hill - this area was lightly populated, and was between   City View  View and Reserve Townbship,   but after the public housing development there in 1961-62, Summer Hill  became known as Northview Heights. 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "BobDietrich" <bob.dietrich1 at verizon.net> 
> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org> 
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:06:56 PM 
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] FYI-Pittsburgh Neighborhood Map 
> 
> There is a recent history of "Allegheny City: A History of Pittsburgh's 
> North Side" available from Amazon and others.  It gets into all the NortSide 
> neighborhoods, how the formed and who lived there.  Not much on streetcars 
> but there is a photo of Derrick's ancestor.   
> 
> Bob 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org 
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Fred 
> Schneider 
> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:31 PM 
> To: Western PA Trolley discussion 
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] FYI-Pittsburgh Neighborhood Map 
> 
> Destination 21 Fineview was route 125 Nunnery Hill.   You are correct. 
> This line was built in 1908 and later. 
> 
> The observatory that Derrick's ancestor created on top of the hill was part 
> of the Western University of Pennsylvania that moved to Oakland and was 
> renamed University of Pittsburgh.  I think the university move took place 
> just after the City of Allegheny became part of Pittsburgh.   So that would 
> probably be 1910 or earlier.   Look it up in Wikipedia. 
> 
> Destination 8 Perrysville was route 106 Perrysville Avenue.   It began in 
> December 1887 or February 1888 (I have two conflicting dates) from North 
> Avenue over Federal Street as far as the Perrysville Plank Road under the 
> name Observatory Hill Passenger Railway using underground power distribution 
> (conduit).   In 1889 it became part of the Federal Street and Pleasant 
> Valley Railway. 
> By 1902 it was running as far as the East Street Extension. 
> 
> The observatory appears off Observatory Ave east of Perrysville on plate 5. 
> Plate 4 may also be useful. 
> 
> http://digital.library.pitt.edu/maps/90v01ind.html 
> 
> http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?view=entry;cc=maps; 
> entryid=x-90v01p05 
> 
> I think this clearly demonstrates, gentlemen, that what we are now calling 
> Fineview and which was called Nunnery Hill after it became part of 
> Pittsburgh, was Observatory Hill when it was the City of Allegheny. 
> 
> Eventually another observatory was erected on the northeast side of 
> Riverview Park . I think it is Observatory Street off Perrysville Avenue . 
> it is near the north end of Watson Blvd.   That would account for people not 
> knowing where the original Observatory Hill Passenger Railway ran.   
> 
> 
> 
> On May 30, 2013, at 8:42 AM, Bob Rathke wrote: 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> My grandparents always referred to Fineview as Nunn ery Hill. 
>> 
>> 
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>> ----- Original Message ----- 
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>> 
>> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net> 
>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" 
>> <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 11:36:38 AM 
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] FYI-Pittsburgh Neighborhood Map 
>> 
>> 
>> I have a problem with the south side.   Mt. Oliver is an independent 
> borough but the map shows it as part of the city.   It is that area 
> surrounded by Knoxville, Carrick, Beltzhoover (not named), Arlington, 
> Allentown, and the  slopes.   
>> 
>> East End?   The Lower Hill District used to be considered separate from 
> the Hill District.   Highland Park is a city park.   Should that not be 
> considered Highland.   Brushton is missing.   
>> 
>> I have a feeling in my gut that neighborhoods are being moved because we 
> have no memory of where they were.  Have we forgotten places like Glenwood? 
> Do Lincoln or Larimer actually touch Shadyside?   Should not Homewood touch 
> S'Liberty?   
>> 
>> In the northside?   As we redeveloped it, we put new names on an old city. 
> The entire north side was the City of Allegheny until the City of Pittsburgh 
> orchestrated a takeover in nineteen aught and seven.   Now we have created 
> areas called West Allegheny, Allegheny Center and East Allegheny and North 
> Shore?   Huh?   I though they were just the Northside?  And how did 
> Observatory Hill get moved all the way out to the city boundary?   Seems to 
> me the old Observatory run by Mr. Brashaer at the college was in the 
> Fineview District?????    That area they are calling Observatory Hill 
> includes what we would have called Riverview Park and even far beyond that. 
> 
>> 
>> But we have the same problem in a lot of cities.   Here in Lancaster 
> County there were three villages on route 23 northeast of Lancaster: 
> Leacock, Leola and Bareville in order as you go northeast.   Today no one 
> seems to know where they were and we have moved them and overlapped them and 
> in some cases you will find businesses in one village named after a town 
> five miles away.   We don't remember.   
>> 
>> Try this map 
>> 
>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/76/Pittsburgh_Pennsylvania_ 
>> neighborhoods_fade.svg 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 28, 2013, at 10:52 PM, Herb Brannon wrote: 
>> 
>>> Can anyone remember the East End neighborhood which is not listed on 
>>> this map? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net> wrote: 
> 
>>> 
>>>> The last post made mention of a district of Pittsburgh called the 
>>>> Flats, actually named South Side Flats. This is in opposition to 
>>>> another neighborhood named South Side Slopes. 
>>>> 
>>>> I have attached a map of Pittsburgh neighborhoods since some areas 
>>>> now have new names and some areas which never had names now do have 
> names. 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Herb Brannon 
>>>> Back In The Burgh ! 
>>>> GO PENS ! 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Herb Brannon 
>>> Back In The Burgh ! 
>>> GO PENS ! 
>>> 
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