[PRCo] Tram Car Storage in Ohio

Thu Jul 18 11:37:23 EDT 2013

Anyone interested in a rusty hulk, Northern Ohio apparently intends to deaccession one of their C&LE 100-series bodies - or what's left of it.  And ORM continues to reduce their 'fleet' - a CTA 4000 and a PAT 1700 are currently listed for sale.  One of their freight motors might also be on the disposition list.  

This is why I keep thanking Ed, Scott, Bruce, etc (and many others working behind the scenes) for steering PTM towards a different path than that followed by ORM.  

> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 22:28:38 -0400
> Subject: [PRCo] Tram Car Storage in Ohio
> 
> 
> Herb
> 
> And meanwhile Jedlika has had several buildings erected to house (presumably) the more important members of his “fleet.” The Redbird has been under roof for ages (but with no protection on the sides).
> 
> And ORM, which HAD a carbarn, tore it down.  Their “fleet” resides under tarps.
> 
> Dwight
> 
> From: Herb Brannon 
> Sent: Wednesday, 17 July, 2013 21:18
> To: Western PA Trolley discussion 
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] How far off TRACK can we get????
> The chances of any streetcar "surviving" Ron Jedlika's outdoor storage is
> Slim to none. Slim left town. NORM has been planning to start operating
> their streetcars since I was in high school. The place where they "store"
> their cars is also outdoors. Cars which they received in relatively good
> condition several decades ago are now rusty hulks. The one PRCo/PAT PCC
> they had looked real good when I saw it in 1993. The last time I saw it was
> 2009 and it looked like the exterior of the USX (UPMC) (nee United States
> Steel) Building in downtown Pittsburgh. It was all rusted steel with very
> little paint remaining. If NORM waits much longer they won't have any cars
> to run.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Bob Rathke <bobrathke at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Herb.  20 years was a lo ng time to be a locker room and office
> > after 30 years of revenue service , but I'm glad it -  hopefully -
> > survives.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> >
> > From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
> > pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 5:48:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] How far off TRACK can we get????
> >
> > Bob,
> > The original number of the car sitting in your photo at Van Aken Yard was
> > 2365. It was originally a Cleveland Railway Company trailer. It was
> > delivered to Cleveland Railway on March 2, 1918 and continued as a
> > Cleveland Railway trailer car until it was sold to Shaker Heights Rapid
> > Transit on October 26, 1946. The car was originally built by G. C. Kuhlman
> > Co. It was 49 feet long, had seats for 59 passengers, ran on Brill 67F
> > trucks and weighed 25,900 pounds. The original cost of the car was
> > $2,760.30. This series' nomenclature (given by Cleveland Railway Co) was
> > "Arch Roof Trailer".
> >
> > It began in Shaker Heights Service in 1947 (exact date unavailable). it had
> > "cable" MU couplers, was renumbered to 58 and stayed in SHRT revenue
> > service until sometime in 1948. At that time is was towed to Van Aken Yard
> > and made a "permanent" trainman's locker room and office. This "permanent"
> > assignment lasted until April 3, 1968 when it was towed to Kingsbury Run
> > Shops. In 1968 it was sold to Gerald E. Brookins and moved to Trolleyville
> > in 1968. It was almost totally restored to its original Cleveland Railway
> > appearance even to the Peter Smith coal stove. It was stored at
> > Trolleyville and what has happened to it since the demise of the
> > Trolleyville collection I do not know. I suppose it's somewhere in the U.S.
> > at some trolley museum.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Bob Rathke <bobrathke at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Getting back on track, I am attaching three photos that I took on the SHR
> > > T in the mid-60's:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - PCC 94 at Shaker Square on 9/15/66 (94 is now at PTM).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - PCC 95 at Shaker Square  leading an outbound 3-car train onto the Van
> > > Aiken line on 9/15/66.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - Body of a  double-end trolley that may have been used as an
> > > office/storage facility. Taken  at Van Aiken loop on 8/15/64.  Note the
> > > person in the fourth window from the right who appears to be writing at a
> > > desk.   Does anyone kn ow the  number/history of this car?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > >
> > > From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> > > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
> > > pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:40:33 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] How far off TRACK can we get????
> > >
> > > And remember, Derrick, when you could hand your luggage to an airline
> > > representative at the curb and he would tag it and it would go onto the
> > > plane.  You didn't even have to carry it into the terminal.    Back in
> > the
> > > days when they wanted business …. before they give you the business.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jul 17, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Derrick Brashear wrote:
> > >
> > > > Airlines?   I can remember when you could dash up to the gate with 15
> > > >> minutes to spare, get on the plane and go ….
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Me too. July 2001. 28x was late, I got to the airport at 8:06am and was
> > > not
> > > > the last person seated on my 8:15 departure, which left on time.
> > > >
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