[PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT

Bob Rathke bobrathke at comcast.net
Thu Jul 18 13:49:07 EDT 2013 

NORM could also use an industrial strength weed wacker. 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net> 
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org> 
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:20:42 PM 
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT 

If you think PRCo/PAT 1644 looks bad, take a look at SHRT 78 rusting away 
at NORM. This place brings "new definition" to the word "museum". 


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Herb Brannon <hrbran at cavtel.net> wrote: 

> Raymond, 
> PRCo/PATransit PCC 1644 is at Northern Ohio Railway Museum (NORM). In the 
> 1990s it have very little rust on it. I have attached a photo of it in 
> 2009. Note that it is rusting through. Today (2013) it has a "lovely" rust 
> color patina all over it. Soon all the paint will disappear, as will the 
> car, if they don't do something about the rusting. 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Lattner, Raymond <rlattner at pa.gov>wrote: 
> 
>> Isn't there a PRCo PCC in a  museum up north somewhere, a 1400 series 
>> car? Is that car still around or has it been scrapped? 
>> If still existing anyone know the condition of car? 
>> 
>> Thanks 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org [mailto: 
>> pittsburgh-railways-bounces at mailman.dementix.org] On Behalf Of Dwight 
>> Long 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:39 PM 
>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion 
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT 
>> 
>> 
>> John 
>> 
>> I think you will find that 304, the one I sent the photo of in service in 
>> the year 1953, went to and is at Fox River.  303 is shown at NORM. 
>> 
>> Ole debbil memory again!  I have the same problem, but believe I'm 
>> correct in this case. 
>> 
>> Dwight 
>> 
>> From: John Swindler 
>> Sent: Thursday, 18 July, 2013 11:23 
>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion 
>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for info on 302.  Suspected it became a 'parts' car, but that was 
>> just a guess. 
>> 
>> When Trolleyville collection dispersed in 2009, 304 went to Northern Ohio 
>> and 303 went to Fox River.  (Should check the museum websites to  verify 
>> the latter two car numbers - not good to rely on memory). 
>> 
>> Of course this list is more familiar with certain other parts of the 
>> dispersion:  4145, 2227 and Toledo to PTM, plus a freight motor  destined 
>> to become a 'parts' car. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > From: hrbran at cavtel.net 
>> > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:10:25 -0400 
>> > To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org 
>> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT 
>> > 
>> > John, 
>> > Cars 302, 303, 304 and 306 were sold, by SHRT, to Gerald Brookins in 
>> 1954. 
>> > Car 302 was scrapped by Gerald Brookins in 1985 and used for parts. Car 
>> 306 
>> > went to Illinois Railway Museum in 1992. My paperwork only goes as far 
>> as 
>> > 1999 and does not indicate the disposition of cars 303 and 304. These 
>> two 
>> > were still at Trolleyville in 1999. 
>> > 
>> > Interesting to note is that an agreement was signed between SHRT and 
>> > Cleveland Transit System concerning these cars. The agreement stipulated 
>> > that this series of SHRT car would not be operated in what was to become 
>> > the "joint operational territory" between East 55th Street and Terminal 
>> > Tower Station. Their last date of operation was March 14, 1955. The cars 
>> > were slow (it was felt they would slow down operations in the joint 
>> > territory) and also the required "trip arms" (which had to be installed 
>> as 
>> > a safety factor for use in the joint territory) would be too hard to 
>> > install in these cars. 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:40 PM, John Swindler <j_swindler at hotmail.com 
>> >wrote: 
>> > 
>> > > 
>> > > Didn't Brookins save four of those Fox River Cars??? 
>> > > 
>> > > One went to IRM, one went to Northern Ohio, one went to Fox River. 
>>  Assume 
>> > > the fourth might have been scrapped somewhere along the line for 
>> parts. 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > > From: dwightlong at verizon.net 
>> > > > To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org 
>> > > > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:35:32 -0400 
>> > > > CC: 1artwheeler at gmail.com 
>> > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Cleveland and SHRT 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > Guys 
>> > > > 
>> > > > Here is a real Peter Witt car, however, on 25 August 1953, no longer 
>> > > being used in Peter Witt fare collection mode, but rather one man, 
>> front 
>> > > entrance.  This at Public Square a few months before the last line, 
>> > > Madison, Crumped. 
>> > > > 
>> > > > And forget those old center door clunkers beloved only by 
>> Clevelanders 
>> > > (Sorry Dennis and JWV!).  Here is the real deal of a gem on SHRT, 
>> same day 
>> > > as above, 304 at Shaker Square.  Yes, I rode it out from Terminal 
>> Tower. 
>> > >  Sorry it is not a very good photo compositionwise, but it sure 
>> brings back 
>> > > memories.  For those who may not know, these 1923-built St. Louis 
>> cars were 
>> > > second hand from the Aurora, Fox River and Elgin interurban in 
>> Illinois, a 
>> > > portion of which is still in use as the Fox  River Trolley Museum. 
>>  This 
>> > > very car was saved and lived for years at Brookins, but is now back 
>> home at 
>> > > South Elgin. 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > Dwight 
>> > > > 
>> > > > From: Bob Rathke 
>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 17 July, 2013 14:32 
>> > > > To: Western PA Trolley discussion 
>> > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] How far off TRACK can we get???? 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > Getting back on track, I am attaching three photos that I took on 
>> the 
>> > > SHR T in the mid-60's: 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > - PCC 94 at Shaker Square on 9/15/66 (94 is now at PTM). 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > - PCC 95 at Shaker Square  leading an outbound 3-car train onto the 
>> Van 
>> > > Aiken line on 9/15/66. 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > - Body of a  double-end trolley that may have been used as an 
>> > > office/storage facility. Taken  at Van Aiken loop on 8/15/64.  Note 
>> the 
>> > > person in the fourth window from the right who appears to be writing 
>> at a 
>> > > desk.   Does anyone kn ow the  number/history of this car? 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > Bob 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net> 
>> > > > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" < 
>> > > pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org> 
>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:40:33 PM 
>> > > > Subject: Re: [PRCo] How far off TRACK can we get???? 
>> > > > 
>> > > > And remember, Derrick, when you could hand your luggage to an 
>> airline 
>> > > representative at the curb and he would tag it and it would go onto 
>> the 
>> > > plane.  You didn't even have to carry it into the terminal.    Back 
>> in the 
>> > > days when they wanted business .... before they give you the business. 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > On Jul 17, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Derrick Brashear wrote: 
>> > > > 
>> > > > > Airlines?   I can remember when you could dash up to the gate 
>> with 15 
>> > > > >> minutes to spare, get on the plane and go .... 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > Me too. July 2001. 28x was late, I got to the airport at 8:06am 
>> and 
>> > > was not 
>> > > > > the last person seated on my 8:15 departure, which left on time. 
>> > > > > 
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