[PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
Herb Brannon
hrbran at cavtel.net
Sun Oct 27 12:31:22 EDT 2013
You know Fred, you sure know how to "baffle with b.s."
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>wrote:
> Herb, I am not insulting Adam Gimbel. I am using "cheap" in the English
> language sense, not the way the American's have adulterated it to mean
> "crappy" or "no good". It means economical, as in the "cheap day return
> ticket" in Britain … translated means the bargain one day round trip ticket.
>
> Gimbels was the cheap (bargain) store but they were not in a position to
> compete with the likes of WalMart and it this area they were the first
> department store to fold. If I had to make a comparison, it would be the
> British Home Store … yes I have a favorite shirt with a BHS label. That's
> what happens when you vacationed so many times in Britain.
>
> Sadly, Gimbels was not only the economical store but locally they had some
> of the worst help too. He could not stay in business when WalMart or
> K-Mart had no help and he was paying for doofuses. I remember one day I
> went into the Gimbels store to buy something for my wife. A friend who
> was a PennDOT attorney was with me. He had just returned from a vacation
> in Japan. I could not get any of the sales girls to wait on me. They
> were all having a hen party. So I lead Gareth over until we were within
> hearing range of the goofing off sales clerks, and then looked at him and
> said, "Is it true what you told me … that in Japan the sales clerks
> actually are hired to wait on the customers?" He played it to the hilt
> and those girls went balistic. How dare you insult them by expecting them
> to work. They told us off at full volume. And naturally, we went to
> another store in the mall. I think I saw some other customers evacuating
> Adam Gimbel's store.
>
> I think there were some other problems too. Each region operated
> independently. My charge card for Gimbels in Lancaster was only good in
> the Philadelphia region stores. It was not valid in Pittsburgh or
> Chicago. It might get immediate clearance for a temporary card there but
> I had to apply there if I wanted credit.
>
> Of course, doesn't matter. They are gone.
>
> Saks? No such thing here. Nearest is in King of Prussia. And I
> never heard of a Barneys…. New York store isn't it?
>
> Lancaster County, Pa., was an area that thrived through the 1980s and
> then crashed. For many years we had lower wage rates than the national
> average, which means it isn't the place people who want really high wages
> come but it might be where a corporation wants to come to build a factory.
> All through the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, one company after another came here
> to exploit the cheap labor and the "Amish work ethic." The result was a
> doubling of the population from 1950 to 2000. But when you stress the
> local economy and push the unemployment rate down to half the national
> unemployment rate (it was actually as low here as 1.4 percent in the summer
> of 1964), that puts extreme pressure on wages. They rose. Unions become
> popular. So popular that one by one the factories close and the
> corporations decide we don't don't need this shit. This was a major
> garment manufacturing center … all those plants closed. Roughly 10,000
> shoe, garment and textile jobs vanished. Those jobs went first to Mexico
> under the North American Free Trade Agreement and then to China and
> southeast Asia. A lot of recreational vehicle plants were built here in
> the 1980s … we decided fuel is too expensive to tow those trailers so those
> plant closed. Armstrong once employed several thousand people here making
> linoleum and other resilient floor coverings …. they still do it but in
> right-to-work states and in new plants on one floor. In the 1960s RCA had
> about 3000 people building color TV sets here and in Wilkes-Barre; then
> they were introduced to Sony. Hamilton Watch used to employ almost 2000
> people making watches … no one wants quality watches … the last remnant of
> the company was sold to a Swiss firm … they're "out of here" and the
> building is an apartment now. We still have manufacturing but its about
> half the number of workers we had in that sector in 1970. We now have
> unemployment over 6% and routine shootings and burglaries as a means of
> supporting each other … it's called income transfer. We no longer have
> any upper end stores. We don't have as many upper income people today.
> I guess they're in Dallas today. But at my age, no reason to move.
>
> The sad thing about the crash here, Herb, was unlike Pittsburgh, it
> affected a young population to begin with. When steel went down in 1982
> in Pittsburgh, it wasn't something new. They already had 20 years of
> on-again, off-again problems with the mills. Allegheny County's population
> was relatively stable after 1930 in the 1.4 to 1.6 million range. It
> actually began dropping from 1.629 million in 1960 to 1.450 million before
> the big collapse of steel in 1982 … the kids were already leaving home and
> going where the jobs were. You cannot have really high unemployment when
> people go directly from working to pensions … they are out of the labor
> force.
>
> But Lancaster was still growing rapidly when our crash came. We had
> 212,000 in 1940 and 423,000 in 1990 when things began to soften, 471,000 in
> 2000 and 519,000 in 2010. Part of the anomaly of a tapering economy along
> with growth is that we have also found ourselves within commuting distance
> of Philadelphia's suburban job market and now the same for the northeastern
> suburbs of Baltimore. For a while, until the state began to decide they
> didn't want workers, the northwestern part of this county was also
> attractive for people working in the state capital … only 20 minutes away
> on the train. Trouble is, Herb, if that guy gets laid off in Philadelphia
> he is still among the 6.5% unemployed in Lancaster. And, as you can see
> from those numbers, we have over 50,000 homes built in the last 40 years ….
> not the same as someone who built a house in Pittsburgh in 1935. When
> you have a couple who built a house in 1990 and the area crashes and they
> still have a mortgage, you have problems.
>
> On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Herb Brannon wrote:
>
> > Don't let Adam Gimble hear you say that. Oh yes, I
> forgot.............all
> > you Lancaster people only shop at Barneys and Saks.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Ah yes, Gimbels … the cheap department store. But like so many others
> >> driven out of business by K-Mart, WalMart, Target and so forth, it no
> >> longer exists.
> >>
> >> My first introduction to any form of electronic mail was a captive
> >> in-house system that the state operated for its own departmental
> >> operations. Today it's own system has been scrapped and it is using the
> >> internet. But it was a fantastic system that allowed us to get stuff
> out
> >> of Harrisburg the same day they got it … of course transmission was
> >> excruciatingly slow.
> >>
> >> The earliest memory I have of any such system, however rudimentary, was
> >> the state Job Bank which would have been in the very early 1970s. All
> job
> >> orders, referral and placement transactions were scanned with a slow
> speed
> >> rotary drum scanner about the same number of lines as an old television
> >> screen and then sent over telephone lines to Harrisburg to be be
> processed
> >> into the main frame computer.
> >>
> >> Hard to believe that, in the space of forty years, we have gone from
> that
> >> to being able to send letters and photographs and drawings back and
> forth
> >> to buddies anywhere in the world in real time. We can all remember
> when a
> >> letter to Europe took a week to be delivered and now, if we are both
> awake
> >> and near our computers at the same time, I can pass a half dozen e-mails
> >> back and forth to the same person in Vienna or Berlin or rural eastern
> >> England …. as we watch the postal service go bankrupt.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Oct 26, 2013, at 8:13 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:
> >>
> >>> John,
> >>> There was a "kinda" Internet back in the early/mid 1980s. It was
> nothing
> >>> like we're using today, however.
> >>>
> >>> I had just bought a brand new Commodore 64 complete system at Gimbles
> in
> >>> downtown Pittsburgh. Interesting that both Gimbles and the Commodore 64
> >>> have gone to the museum of memories. My C64 was very "cutting edge" for
> >>> 1983/84 inasmuch as I had the keyboard, monitor ( nothing more than a
> >>> television set with only green and black color), dataset (for programs
> >> and
> >>> storage on cassette tape), two (mind you, two !) floppy disk drives
> (so I
> >>> didn't have to switch between program and data-storage disks on only
> one
> >>> disk drive), and a dot-matrix printer with these little DIP switches in
> >> the
> >>> back which could be set to produce ten different print styles, and a
> >> little
> >>> rectangle shaped box which plugged into the back of the keyboard and
> was
> >>> called a "modem". For what I paid for all that stuff I could have used
> >> that
> >>> same dollar amount today and purchased three or four complete computer
> >>> set-ups.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway, I wanted to use this investment to its fullest so I signed up
> for
> >>> this service which was advertised as "connecting computers and their
> >> users"
> >>> for the purpose of transmitting "mail-like electronic messages" and
> >>> providing "interest groups" on varying subject matter. It was, for all
> >>> purposes, the beginning of the Internet. The "Mail-like electronic
> >> message"
> >>> service was called MCI Mail. You could send messages to other users who
> >>> were on this system and you could also sent messages to people not on
> the
> >>> service via this MCI Mail in selected US cities. For people not hooked
> >> into
> >>> the "network" via computer, the messages went to a MCI facility
> (located
> >> in
> >>> several major cities, Pittsburgh included) and were then delivered by a
> >>> messenger to any address in downtown Pittsburgh or the downtown area of
> >> the
> >>> other cities in the network. The drawbacks were many, including the
> >>> messenger service, the fact that only the downtown areas of several
> major
> >>> cities could be accessed via this service, and the cost. This service
> >> last
> >>> only a few months as more and more people and businesses began using
> >>> computers and became connected.
> >>>
> >>> There were no photographs on this system, only plain text. However, it
> >> was
> >>> the start of what we have today and I'm happy that I was a part of it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:00 PM, John Swindler <
> j_swindler at hotmail.com
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> In 1968/9 Point Park College had a relatively new IBM System 360
> >> computer.
> >>>> It was a stand alone unit about 5-6 feet high. An instructor said
> that
> >>>> the CPU took up less than a foot of this height - the rest was empty
> >> space.
> >>>> This was to fool purchasing agents who expected computers to be big
> and
> >>>> bulky. Miniaturization was already occurring.
> >>>>
> >>>> Doubt if you were thinking of using the internet in early 1980s, Fred.
> >>>> Mid-1990s, perhaps, but not 1980s.
> >>>>
> >>>> A problem in the 1980s was the proliferation of computer manufacturers
> >> and
> >>>> non-compatible software. Also speed even when there was a program
> that
> >>>> could convert from one language to another. We're talking 8086 and
> 286
> >>>> chips. Today it seems that instantaneous just doesn't seem fast
> >> enough. I
> >>>> remember a LOTUS 1-2-3 spreadsheet. Enter a bunch of data, tell it to
> >>>> compute, then go for a cup of coffee. It was used to produce the
> >>>> Pennsylvania Mass Transit Statistical Report.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 02:04:10 +0000
> >>>>> From: bobrathke at comcast.net
> >>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Most of us from the 1970's have these computer stories, Fred. I used
> >> my
> >>>> first word processor in 1979 - a Digital computer the size of a small
> >>>> refrigerator with a 9" monochrome screen, plus a noisy daisy-wheel
> >> impact
> >>>> printer. Hardly desktop, and no hard drive - the word processing
> >> program
> >>>> ran from an 8" floppy, and documents were stored on another 8" floppy.
> >>>> Those floppies had the massive capacity of 840KB each. That Digital
> >>>> computer cost $12,000, but it wasn't linked to anything, so in 1980
> the
> >>>> company bought a modem to connect to another computer. That modem cost
> >> $750.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bob.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> >>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
> >>>> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 7:48:16 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bob,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can recall when the state had a mammoth computer room in the L&I
> >>>> Building in Harrisburg to handle all Employment Service data reporting
> >> and
> >>>> all the Unemployment Claims …. huge place on a raised floor to
> >> accommodate
> >>>> both the cabling and the air-conditing ducts to keep the main frame
> >>>> computers cool.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Today I know what is sitting on my desk … each of them …. has far
> more
> >>>> power than what put the man on the moon back in the 1960s. Probably
> >> the
> >>>> computers in most of our cars have more ooomph than that computer that
> >> put
> >>>> Armstrong on the moon.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the early 1980s, I was the head of an occupational information
> >>>> program in Pennsylvania to provide data to schools and anyone else who
> >>>> might need it … mostly for counseling kids. The federal government
> >> wanted
> >>>> it all done on main frame computers. In Pennsylvania, we were
> thinking
> >>>> about doing it on desk top computers and passing out the information
> on
> >>>> floppy disks or linking them by this new internet to desk tops in
> >>>> Harrisburg. Washington told me that if we tried to do it that way,
> we
> >>>> would not be given any grant money. Obviously someone who was making
> >> main
> >>>> frame computers had lobbied heavily to have things done his way.
> >> Funny
> >>>> thing about that … two years later, my successor told me that I had
> been
> >>>> right and we're doing it your way.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's not your grandmother's Buick….
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fred
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> In 1965 I wrote and produced a slide presentation for training U.S.
> >>>> Steel's customer service people in their offices around the U.S. I
> made
> >>>> several visits to the Muriel St. facility to get background
> information
> >> on
> >>>> U.S. Steel's computer capabilities. I remember being impressed with
> the
> >>>> building's climate controlled environment and the raised floors to
> >>>> accomodate under-floor computer cables.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Today, an i-pad is probably more powerful that the computer system
> in
> >>>> that building in 1965.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bob
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> From: "Derrick Brashear" <shadow at dementix.org>
> >>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
> >>>> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:05:40 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> it's a computer center
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Bob Rathke <bobrathke at comcast.net
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In the 1970's, USS's Muriel St. facility was the Direct Mail
> Center -
> >>>>>>> computer operations, literature storage and fulfillment. If it's
> >>>> still
> >>>>>>> there, I'm not sure about its current function.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> >>>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
> >>>>>>> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:14 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It seems that back in the "big steel" days the main producers of
> >>>> smoke and
> >>>>>>> fire were the USS Homestead Works and just about everything J & L
> had
> >>>>>>> operating.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> USS also has some type of operation on Muriel Street in Southside.
> >>>> I'm not
> >>>>>>> sure what they do there, however. USS also has a research center in
> >>>>>>> Homestead still operating. Even with all these operating
> facilities,
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>> number of people employed by USS comes nowhere near what those
> >>>> facilities
> >>>>>>> used to employ.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Dwight Long <
> >> dwightlong at verizon.net
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Herb
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> But Irvin works is not a primary producer but rather a rolling
> mill
> >>>> (as
> >>>>>>>> you said) and so would not generate the "fire and brimstone" that
> >>>>>>>> characterized a primary steel producer.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I went by Clairton on a train in July and did not notice any smoke
> >> at
> >>>>>>> all,
> >>>>>>>> just some condensed water vapor. I think the coking processes are
> >> so
> >>>>>>>> contained these days that very little emissions emanate from it.
> >>>> Besides
> >>>>>>>> environmental concerns, the steelmakers have learned that the
> >>>> effluents
> >>>>>>>> from the coke making process are valuable by products that need to
> >> be
> >>>>>>>> trapped and sold. The days of the beehive coke ovens that spewed
> >>>> all the
> >>>>>>>> byproducts into the atmosphere are long gone.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dwight
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>> From: Herb Brannon
> >>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:41 PM
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Bob R,
> >>>>>>>> It still had that "orange glow" when I first moved here in 1972.
> >>>> Plus,
> >>>>>>>> when
> >>>>>>>> atmospheric conditions were right, it smelled like fire &
> >>>> brimstone,
> >>>>>>>> everywhere. Even today, on humid days, I still smell the "fire &
> >>>>>>>> brimstone" coming from the Irvin Works just over the hill (on Camp
> >>>>>>> Hollow
> >>>>>>>> Rd) to the south-east of my place.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Contrary to popular opinion steel is not dead in Pittsburgh. The
> >>>>>>> Clairton
> >>>>>>>> Works still produces coke as it always did, the Edgar Thompson
> >>>> Works
> >>>>>>>> makes
> >>>>>>>> primary steel, the Irvin Works produces rolled steel and the
> >>>> relatively
> >>>>>>>> new
> >>>>>>>> Mckeesport Tubular Works (old National Works, now reopened) makes
> >>>>>>> tubular
> >>>>>>>> products for the Marcellus Shale drilling industry. So the sulphur
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>>> fire
> >>>>>>>> & brimstone can still be smelled on humid days and the orange glow
> >>>> is
> >>>>>>>> still
> >>>>>>>> available in Braddock and Clairton.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Bob Rathke <
> bobrathke at comcast.net
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Driving south from Zelienople at night in the 1950's you didn't
> >>>> need
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>> compass to locate Pittsburgh - the sky there always had an orange
> >>>>>>> glow.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
> >>>>>>>>> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:09 AM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Was chatting with some PTM visitors yesterday, and among the
> >>>>>>> "Pittsburg
> >>>>>>>>> smells" mentioned was J&L sulfur smell upon exiting Squirrel Hill
> >>>>>>>> Tunnels
> >>>>>>>>> and heading downgrade to Brady St. exit. They were old enough
> >>>> to
> >>>>>>>> remember
> >>>>>>>>> air pollution from late 1940s - (before my time).
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> >>>>>>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:04:35 -0400
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Herb
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> In Beaver burning next to the curb was OK on concrete streets
> >>>> (we
> >>>>>>>> lived
> >>>>>>>>> on one) or brick ones (still several left in the 50s) but not on
> >>>>>>>> asphalt
> >>>>>>>>> nor tarred ones!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Tar? When I was in first or second grade I came home from
> >>>> school
> >>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>> lunch. On the way back to school the alley that I used as a
> >>>> shortcut
> >>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>> being freshly tarred. I followed the tar dispensing truck,
> >>>>>>> fascinated.
> >>>>>>>>> When I got to school I was sent home immediately. I looked
> >>>> like the
> >>>>>>>>> proverbial tarbaby. Lots of turpentine and stiff scrubbing
> >>>> later,
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>> new suit of clothes, I returned and was admitted.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> And we still had plenty of coal furnaces in our town back then,
> >>>>>>>> although
> >>>>>>>>> our house used gas. I well recall the smell of the coal burning
> >>>> on
> >>>>>>>> cold
> >>>>>>>>> winter days whilst delivering the Pittsburgh Press to my paper
> >>>> route
> >>>>>>>>> customers. The last time I encountered that smell was just a few
> >>>>>>>> years ago
> >>>>>>>>> in a suburb of Budapest while fotting the trams there. Brought
> >>>> back
> >>>>>>>> many
> >>>>>>>>> memories!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Dwight
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> From: Herb Brannon
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 21 October, 2013 10:48
> >>>>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves
> >>>>>>>>>> When I was a child, in Akron, the common practice was to burn
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>> leaves
> >>>>>>>>>> in the street but along the curb stones. Sometimes the piles of
> >>>>>>>> leaves
> >>>>>>>>> were
> >>>>>>>>>> so large that the fires would become too large and would
> >>>> spread to
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> treelawn. Then the fire department would be called to put out
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>> fires.
> >>>>>>>>> It
> >>>>>>>>>> made for an exciting day or evening. Ranking right up there
> >>>> with
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> smell
> >>>>>>>>>> of burning leaves are also the smell of coal smoke and the
> >>>> smell of
> >>>>>>>> fresh
> >>>>>>>>>> tar.............three of the "little joys of life" now gone by
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> wayside.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Dwight Long <
> >>>>>>>> dwightlong at verizon.net
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Herb
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I can remember back in the 50s coming back to Beaver from
> >>>> auto
> >>>>>>>> trips to
> >>>>>>>>>>> the East that involved the Pa Turnpike—we would use the
> >>>>>>> Warrendale
> >>>>>>>>> exit and
> >>>>>>>>>>> the back roads to Beaver. Coming down into the (Beaver)
> >>>> valley
> >>>>>>>> off the
> >>>>>>>>>>> hill the whole floor of the valley would be engulfed in leaf
> >>>>>>> smoke.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Unhealthy, they say, but it sure did convey the impression
> >>>> that
> >>>>>>>> Autumn
> >>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>> upon us!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dwight
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb Brannon
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 20 October, 2013 10:36
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Phil asked about music
> >>>>>>>>>>> You mentioned something I really miss.............the smell
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>>> burning
> >>>>>>>>>>> leaves in October.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 8:37 AM, DF Cramer <
> >>>>>>>> alto_trombone at hotmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, what have I been up to? The beginning of the month I
> >>>>>>>> performed
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Copland, Brahms, & Dvorak with the Butler County
> >>>> Symphony,our
> >>>>>>> (my
> >>>>>>>>> wife
> >>>>>>>>>>>> plays cello) 28th season with the ensemble. I am back at
> >>>> IUP
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> delivered
> >>>>>>>>>>>> two arrangements of French Noels from the Baroque period to
> >>>>>>>> begin the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> semester and last week conducted a first reading of my "The
> >>>>>>>> Eternal
> >>>>>>>>>>> Flame",
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a commemorative piece for double trombone choir and
> >>>> narrator I
> >>>>>>>> wrote
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> mark the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination.
> >>>> All of
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>> performed on November 19 at the university. Next week I
> >>>> perform
> >>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>> IUP
> >>>>>>>>>>>> brass & organ faculty at Zion Lutheran in Indiana for
> >>>>>>> Reformation
> >>>>>>>>> Sunday
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and the following week we are doing Charlie Chaplin's "City
> >>>>>>>> Lights"
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Butler. Chaplin created the musical score for this silent
> >>>> film
> >>>>>>>> and we
> >>>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>> be showing the film as we perform. (Side note: if you want
> >>>>>>>> tickets
> >>>>>>>>> let me
> >>>>>>>>>>>> know as soon as possible--I usually get 4 free ones)
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, I spent quality time with Ed at the
> >>>> Alle-Kiski
> >>>>>>>>>>> Historical
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Society, led a new operator training class at PTM, printed
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> stuffed
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ballots for PTM, and am going to the opera today to see
> >>>> Aida
> >>>>>>>>> (football
> >>>>>>>>>>> fan
> >>>>>>>>>>>> alert--Franco Harris is leading the Grand March in the
> >>>> opera
> >>>>>>>> today)
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I spend lots of time practicing and cleaning up leaves. I
> >>>>>>> mulch
> >>>>>>>>> some and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> burn others---yes we are still permitted to burn here.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you missed it--I also performed at the PTM 50th
> >>>> Anniversary
> >>>>>>>>> luncheon.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> See the most recent issue of PTM Trolley Fare, Fred
> >>>> Schneider
> >>>>>>>> took
> >>>>>>>>> some
> >>>>>>>>>>>> great images.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis F. Cramer
> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 05:49:49 -0700
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: pcc_sr at yahoo.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] still having issues
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stereo-vision isn't it Mr.Cramer! Soapbox opportunity;
> >>>> make
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> most
> >>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You have not recently mentioned anything about your
> >>>> concert
> >>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>> music
> >>>>>>>>>>>> engagements.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I find them fascinating. Music is not at all unlike
> >>>> laughter
> >>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>> it;
> >>>>>>>>>>>> both speak a universal language.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes; BB are the last posts I have seen. There was not
> >>>> much
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> anything
> >>>>>>>>>>>> before your BB posts for several weeks. You mentioned a
> >>>> book
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> relation
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to this; please tell more.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10/19/13, DF Cramer <alto_trombone at hotmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] still having issues
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org" <
> >>>>>>>>>>>> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Saturday, October 19, 2013, 3:52 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it seemed very interesting that after
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I posted on the list, several emails came through. I
> >>>> assume
> >>>>>>>> people
> >>>>>>>>>>> were
> >>>>>>>>>>>> responding with reply all. I have received no posts from
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>> list
> >>>>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>>>>> than those dealing with Billy Baxter.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis F. Cramer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>> *In Pittsburgh...*
> >>>>>>>>>>> *......the Greatest City In The U.S.*
> >>>>>>>>>>> Let's Go Pens
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> >>>>>>>>>> Herb Brannon
> >>>>>>>>>> *In Pittsburgh...*
> >>>>>>>>>> *......the Greatest City In The U.S.*
> >>>>>>>>>> Let's Go Pens
> >>>>>>>>>> Let's Go Steelers
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> >>>>>>>> Herb Brannon
> >>>>>>>> *In Pittsburgh...*
> >>>>>>>> *......the Greatest City In The U.S.*
> >>>>>>>> Let's Go Pens
> >>>>>>>> Let's Go Steelers
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> >>>>>>> *In Pittsburgh...*
> >>>>>>> *......the Greatest City In The U.S.*
> >>>>>>> Let's Go Pens
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> >>> *In Pittsburgh...*
> >>> *......the Greatest City In The U.S.*
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> > Herb Brannon
> > *In Pittsburgh...*
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