[PRCo] Pittsburgh-Cleveland Pax Trains

Fri Jul 12 09:53:27 EDT 2013

Back then (in the 50's) I don't think that the Browns considered the Steelers to be a big  threat.  Plus, in the B&W TV and newspaper era the NFL was not the highly promoted machine that it is today.  I remember a co-worker back then who watched his first Steelers game on color TV, and was surprised to see that the team wore black and gold uniforms.   

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From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net> 
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org> 
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 1:59:13 AM 
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Pittsburgh-Cleveland Pax Trains 

Bob 

Ref your second paragraph:  Highly recommended that you do not mention that theory to any diehard Steeler fans. 

Dwight 

From: Bob Rathke 
Sent: Friday, 12 July, 2013 01:31 
To: Western PA Trolley discussion 
Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72 

Attached is a photo of the westbound P&LE/Erie Pittsburgh-Cleveland Steel King at Aliqu ippa, PA     that I took on 6/15/57. 

In my earlier post I  neglected to mention that the PRR "Steeler' train names referred to the steel industries in Pittsburgh and Cleveland , and not to the Pittsburgh football team. 

Also, over the years I have answered comments from nat ive, over age 80, Cleveland railfans  who said that the PRR never had a station in downtown Cleveland....until I showed them my 1958 photo and scans of PRR timetables from that era. 

Bob   

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From: "Dwight Long" <dwightlong at verizon.net> 
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org> 
Cc: ge13031 at yahoo.com, billvigrass at verizon.net 
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 11:29:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72 

Herb 

But they greeted the Morning Steeler with open arms? 

The competing trains via P&LE/ERIE were only slightly less offensive to hard core residents of the Forest City—they were called Steel Kings. 

Dwight 

From: Herb Brannon 
Sent: Thursday, 11 July, 2013 22:57 
To: Western PA Trolley discussion 
Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72 
Bob, 
I'm surprised that a train with the name, "Afternoon Steeler" was permitted 
inside Cleveland Union Terminal. 

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Bob Rathke <bobrathke at comcast.net> wrote: 

> I watched the first westbound train to leave Penn St ation on that bridge 
> in 1955 - the Afternoon Steeler to Cleveland. 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net> 
> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" < 
> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org> 
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 3:26:38 PM 
> Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo  Route72 
> 
> Anyone else would have bought a 4-8-4.    Change that.   Anyone else with 
> brains would have bought a diesel.   Think of NP, GN, Southern, ACL, SAL, 
> ATSF, even Reading … all those who proved during WW2 how well EMD's product 
> worked. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 11, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Dwight Long wrote: 
> 
> > 
> > Bob 
> > 
> > Done so that T1 locos would not stall leaving the station westbound. 
>  The rigid frame caused the drivers to bind up on the curve, and most 
> westbound trains with T1s had to be assisted by a snapper to get out of the 
> station. 
> > 
> > Of course before the project was finished, so were the T1s. 
> > 
> > Dwight 
> > 
> > From: Bob Rathke 
> > Sent: Thursday, 11 July, 2013 12:55 
> > To: Western PA Trolley discussion 
> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] PRCo Route72 
> > That bridge from the PRR station to the 6-track double-deck bridge over 
> the Allegheny River was replaced by the current bridge (with a more gradual 
> curve) in the spring of 1955. 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Raymond Lattner" <rlattner at pa.gov> 
> > To: "Western PA Trolley discussion ( 
> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org)" < 
> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org> 
> > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 11:22:33 AM 
> > Subject: [PRCo] PRCo  Route72 
> > 
> > Attached is a pic of route 72 Bloomfield car. Penn ave. downtown. 
> > 
> >> From 
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Herb Brannon 
Back In The Burgh ! 
Let's Go Bucs 

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