[PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
Bob Rathke
bobrathke at comcast.net
Sun Oct 27 11:36:46 EDT 2013
Gimbels had stores in NY, Phila., Pgh. and Milwaukee. I read that when Gimbels was closing, its Pgh. store was profitable but because of the remote location to headquarters they decided to close all the stores.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 9:28:55 AM
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
Don't let Adam Gimble hear you say that. Oh yes, I forgot.............all
you Lancaster people only shop at Barneys and Saks.
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>wrote:
> Ah yes, Gimbels … the cheap department store. But like so many others
> driven out of business by K-Mart, WalMart, Target and so forth, it no
> longer exists.
>
> My first introduction to any form of electronic mail was a captive
> in-house system that the state operated for its own departmental
> operations. Today it's own system has been scrapped and it is using the
> internet. But it was a fantastic system that allowed us to get stuff out
> of Harrisburg the same day they got it … of course transmission was
> excruciatingly slow.
>
> The earliest memory I have of any such system, however rudimentary, was
> the state Job Bank which would have been in the very early 1970s. All job
> orders, referral and placement transactions were scanned with a slow speed
> rotary drum scanner about the same number of lines as an old television
> screen and then sent over telephone lines to Harrisburg to be be processed
> into the main frame computer.
>
> Hard to believe that, in the space of forty years, we have gone from that
> to being able to send letters and photographs and drawings back and forth
> to buddies anywhere in the world in real time. We can all remember when a
> letter to Europe took a week to be delivered and now, if we are both awake
> and near our computers at the same time, I can pass a half dozen e-mails
> back and forth to the same person in Vienna or Berlin or rural eastern
> England …. as we watch the postal service go bankrupt.
>
>
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 8:13 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:
>
> > John,
> > There was a "kinda" Internet back in the early/mid 1980s. It was nothing
> > like we're using today, however.
> >
> > I had just bought a brand new Commodore 64 complete system at Gimbles in
> > downtown Pittsburgh. Interesting that both Gimbles and the Commodore 64
> > have gone to the museum of memories. My C64 was very "cutting edge" for
> > 1983/84 inasmuch as I had the keyboard, monitor ( nothing more than a
> > television set with only green and black color), dataset (for programs
> and
> > storage on cassette tape), two (mind you, two !) floppy disk drives (so I
> > didn't have to switch between program and data-storage disks on only one
> > disk drive), and a dot-matrix printer with these little DIP switches in
> the
> > back which could be set to produce ten different print styles, and a
> little
> > rectangle shaped box which plugged into the back of the keyboard and was
> > called a "modem". For what I paid for all that stuff I could have used
> that
> > same dollar amount today and purchased three or four complete computer
> > set-ups.
> >
> > Anyway, I wanted to use this investment to its fullest so I signed up for
> > this service which was advertised as "connecting computers and their
> users"
> > for the purpose of transmitting "mail-like electronic messages" and
> > providing "interest groups" on varying subject matter. It was, for all
> > purposes, the beginning of the Internet. The "Mail-like electronic
> message"
> > service was called MCI Mail. You could send messages to other users who
> > were on this system and you could also sent messages to people not on the
> > service via this MCI Mail in selected US cities. For people not hooked
> into
> > the "network" via computer, the messages went to a MCI facility (located
> in
> > several major cities, Pittsburgh included) and were then delivered by a
> > messenger to any address in downtown Pittsburgh or the downtown area of
> the
> > other cities in the network. The drawbacks were many, including the
> > messenger service, the fact that only the downtown areas of several major
> > cities could be accessed via this service, and the cost. This service
> last
> > only a few months as more and more people and businesses began using
> > computers and became connected.
> >
> > There were no photographs on this system, only plain text. However, it
> was
> > the start of what we have today and I'm happy that I was a part of it.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:00 PM, John Swindler <j_swindler at hotmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> In 1968/9 Point Park College had a relatively new IBM System 360
> computer.
> >> It was a stand alone unit about 5-6 feet high. An instructor said that
> >> the CPU took up less than a foot of this height - the rest was empty
> space.
> >> This was to fool purchasing agents who expected computers to be big and
> >> bulky. Miniaturization was already occurring.
> >>
> >> Doubt if you were thinking of using the internet in early 1980s, Fred.
> >> Mid-1990s, perhaps, but not 1980s.
> >>
> >> A problem in the 1980s was the proliferation of computer manufacturers
> and
> >> non-compatible software. Also speed even when there was a program that
> >> could convert from one language to another. We're talking 8086 and 286
> >> chips. Today it seems that instantaneous just doesn't seem fast
> enough. I
> >> remember a LOTUS 1-2-3 spreadsheet. Enter a bunch of data, tell it to
> >> compute, then go for a cup of coffee. It was used to produce the
> >> Pennsylvania Mass Transit Statistical Report.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 02:04:10 +0000
> >>> From: bobrathke at comcast.net
> >>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>
> >>> Most of us from the 1970's have these computer stories, Fred. I used
> my
> >> first word processor in 1979 - a Digital computer the size of a small
> >> refrigerator with a 9" monochrome screen, plus a noisy daisy-wheel
> impact
> >> printer. Hardly desktop, and no hard drive - the word processing
> program
> >> ran from an 8" floppy, and documents were stored on another 8" floppy.
> >> Those floppies had the massive capacity of 840KB each. That Digital
> >> computer cost $12,000, but it wasn't linked to anything, so in 1980 the
> >> company bought a modem to connect to another computer. That modem cost
> $750.
> >>>
> >>> Bob.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> >>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
> >> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 7:48:16 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>
> >>> Bob,
> >>>
> >>> I can recall when the state had a mammoth computer room in the L&I
> >> Building in Harrisburg to handle all Employment Service data reporting
> and
> >> all the Unemployment Claims …. huge place on a raised floor to
> accommodate
> >> both the cabling and the air-conditing ducts to keep the main frame
> >> computers cool.
> >>>
> >>> Today I know what is sitting on my desk … each of them …. has far more
> >> power than what put the man on the moon back in the 1960s. Probably
> the
> >> computers in most of our cars have more ooomph than that computer that
> put
> >> Armstrong on the moon.
> >>>
> >>> In the early 1980s, I was the head of an occupational information
> >> program in Pennsylvania to provide data to schools and anyone else who
> >> might need it … mostly for counseling kids. The federal government
> wanted
> >> it all done on main frame computers. In Pennsylvania, we were thinking
> >> about doing it on desk top computers and passing out the information on
> >> floppy disks or linking them by this new internet to desk tops in
> >> Harrisburg. Washington told me that if we tried to do it that way, we
> >> would not be given any grant money. Obviously someone who was making
> main
> >> frame computers had lobbied heavily to have things done his way.
> Funny
> >> thing about that … two years later, my successor told me that I had been
> >> right and we're doing it your way.
> >>>
> >>> It's not your grandmother's Buick….
> >>>
> >>> Fred
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In 1965 I wrote and produced a slide presentation for training U.S.
> >> Steel's customer service people in their offices around the U.S. I made
> >> several visits to the Muriel St. facility to get background information
> on
> >> U.S. Steel's computer capabilities. I remember being impressed with the
> >> building's climate controlled environment and the raised floors to
> >> accomodate under-floor computer cables.
> >>>>
> >>>> Today, an i-pad is probably more powerful that the computer system in
> >> that building in 1965.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bob
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>
> >>>> From: "Derrick Brashear" <shadow at dementix.org>
> >>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
> >> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:05:40 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>>
> >>>> it's a computer center
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Bob Rathke <bobrathke at comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In the 1970's, USS's Muriel St. facility was the Direct Mail Center -
> >>>>> computer operations, literature storage and fulfillment. If it's
> >> still
> >>>>> there, I'm not sure about its current function.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> >>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
> >>>>> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:14 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It seems that back in the "big steel" days the main producers of
> >> smoke and
> >>>>> fire were the USS Homestead Works and just about everything J & L had
> >>>>> operating.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> USS also has some type of operation on Muriel Street in Southside.
> >> I'm not
> >>>>> sure what they do there, however. USS also has a research center in
> >>>>> Homestead still operating. Even with all these operating facilities,
> >> the
> >>>>> number of people employed by USS comes nowhere near what those
> >> facilities
> >>>>> used to employ.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Dwight Long <
> dwightlong at verizon.net
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Herb
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But Irvin works is not a primary producer but rather a rolling mill
> >> (as
> >>>>>> you said) and so would not generate the "fire and brimstone" that
> >>>>>> characterized a primary steel producer.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I went by Clairton on a train in July and did not notice any smoke
> at
> >>>>> all,
> >>>>>> just some condensed water vapor. I think the coking processes are
> so
> >>>>>> contained these days that very little emissions emanate from it.
> >> Besides
> >>>>>> environmental concerns, the steelmakers have learned that the
> >> effluents
> >>>>>> from the coke making process are valuable by products that need to
> be
> >>>>>> trapped and sold. The days of the beehive coke ovens that spewed
> >> all the
> >>>>>> byproducts into the atmosphere are long gone.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dwight
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: Herb Brannon
> >>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:41 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bob R,
> >>>>>> It still had that "orange glow" when I first moved here in 1972.
> >> Plus,
> >>>>>> when
> >>>>>> atmospheric conditions were right, it smelled like fire &
> >> brimstone,
> >>>>>> everywhere. Even today, on humid days, I still smell the "fire &
> >>>>>> brimstone" coming from the Irvin Works just over the hill (on Camp
> >>>>> Hollow
> >>>>>> Rd) to the south-east of my place.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Contrary to popular opinion steel is not dead in Pittsburgh. The
> >>>>> Clairton
> >>>>>> Works still produces coke as it always did, the Edgar Thompson
> >> Works
> >>>>>> makes
> >>>>>> primary steel, the Irvin Works produces rolled steel and the
> >> relatively
> >>>>>> new
> >>>>>> Mckeesport Tubular Works (old National Works, now reopened) makes
> >>>>> tubular
> >>>>>> products for the Marcellus Shale drilling industry. So the sulphur
> >> and
> >>>>>> fire
> >>>>>> & brimstone can still be smelled on humid days and the orange glow
> >> is
> >>>>>> still
> >>>>>> available in Braddock and Clairton.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Bob Rathke <bobrathke at comcast.net
> >>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Driving south from Zelienople at night in the 1950's you didn't
> >> need
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>>> compass to locate Pittsburgh - the sky there always had an orange
> >>>>> glow.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
> >>>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
> >>>>>>> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:09 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Was chatting with some PTM visitors yesterday, and among the
> >>>>> "Pittsburg
> >>>>>>> smells" mentioned was J&L sulfur smell upon exiting Squirrel Hill
> >>>>>> Tunnels
> >>>>>>> and heading downgrade to Brady St. exit. They were old enough
> >> to
> >>>>>> remember
> >>>>>>> air pollution from late 1940s - (before my time).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> >>>>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:04:35 -0400
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Herb
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In Beaver burning next to the curb was OK on concrete streets
> >> (we
> >>>>>> lived
> >>>>>>> on one) or brick ones (still several left in the 50s) but not on
> >>>>>> asphalt
> >>>>>>> nor tarred ones!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Tar? When I was in first or second grade I came home from
> >> school
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>>> lunch. On the way back to school the alley that I used as a
> >> shortcut
> >>>>>> was
> >>>>>>> being freshly tarred. I followed the tar dispensing truck,
> >>>>> fascinated.
> >>>>>>> When I got to school I was sent home immediately. I looked
> >> like the
> >>>>>>> proverbial tarbaby. Lots of turpentine and stiff scrubbing
> >> later,
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>>> new suit of clothes, I returned and was admitted.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And we still had plenty of coal furnaces in our town back then,
> >>>>>> although
> >>>>>>> our house used gas. I well recall the smell of the coal burning
> >> on
> >>>>>> cold
> >>>>>>> winter days whilst delivering the Pittsburgh Press to my paper
> >> route
> >>>>>>> customers. The last time I encountered that smell was just a few
> >>>>>> years ago
> >>>>>>> in a suburb of Budapest while fotting the trams there. Brought
> >> back
> >>>>>> many
> >>>>>>> memories!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Dwight
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: Herb Brannon
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 21 October, 2013 10:48
> >>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves
> >>>>>>>> When I was a child, in Akron, the common practice was to burn
> >> the
> >>>>>> leaves
> >>>>>>>> in the street but along the curb stones. Sometimes the piles of
> >>>>>> leaves
> >>>>>>> were
> >>>>>>>> so large that the fires would become too large and would
> >> spread to
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> treelawn. Then the fire department would be called to put out
> >> the
> >>>>>> fires.
> >>>>>>> It
> >>>>>>>> made for an exciting day or evening. Ranking right up there
> >> with
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>> smell
> >>>>>>>> of burning leaves are also the smell of coal smoke and the
> >> smell of
> >>>>>> fresh
> >>>>>>>> tar.............three of the "little joys of life" now gone by
> >> the
> >>>>>>> wayside.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Dwight Long <
> >>>>>> dwightlong at verizon.net
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Herb
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I can remember back in the 50s coming back to Beaver from
> >> auto
> >>>>>> trips to
> >>>>>>>>> the East that involved the Pa Turnpike—we would use the
> >>>>> Warrendale
> >>>>>>> exit and
> >>>>>>>>> the back roads to Beaver. Coming down into the (Beaver)
> >> valley
> >>>>>> off the
> >>>>>>>>> hill the whole floor of the valley would be engulfed in leaf
> >>>>> smoke.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Unhealthy, they say, but it sure did convey the impression
> >> that
> >>>>>> Autumn
> >>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>> upon us!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Dwight
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: Herb Brannon
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 20 October, 2013 10:36
> >>>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Phil asked about music
> >>>>>>>>> You mentioned something I really miss.............the smell
> >> of
> >>>>>> burning
> >>>>>>>>> leaves in October.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 8:37 AM, DF Cramer <
> >>>>>> alto_trombone at hotmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Well, what have I been up to? The beginning of the month I
> >>>>>> performed
> >>>>>>>>>> Copland, Brahms, & Dvorak with the Butler County
> >> Symphony,our
> >>>>> (my
> >>>>>>> wife
> >>>>>>>>>> plays cello) 28th season with the ensemble. I am back at
> >> IUP
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> delivered
> >>>>>>>>>> two arrangements of French Noels from the Baroque period to
> >>>>>> begin the
> >>>>>>>>>> semester and last week conducted a first reading of my "The
> >>>>>> Eternal
> >>>>>>>>> Flame",
> >>>>>>>>>> a commemorative piece for double trombone choir and
> >> narrator I
> >>>>>> wrote
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> mark the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination.
> >> All of
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>> performed on November 19 at the university. Next week I
> >> perform
> >>>>>> with
> >>>>>>> IUP
> >>>>>>>>>> brass & organ faculty at Zion Lutheran in Indiana for
> >>>>> Reformation
> >>>>>>> Sunday
> >>>>>>>>>> and the following week we are doing Charlie Chaplin's "City
> >>>>>> Lights"
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>> Butler. Chaplin created the musical score for this silent
> >> film
> >>>>>> and we
> >>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>> be showing the film as we perform. (Side note: if you want
> >>>>>> tickets
> >>>>>>> let me
> >>>>>>>>>> know as soon as possible--I usually get 4 free ones)
> >>>>>>>>>> Other than that, I spent quality time with Ed at the
> >> Alle-Kiski
> >>>>>>>>> Historical
> >>>>>>>>>> Society, led a new operator training class at PTM, printed
> >> and
> >>>>>>> stuffed
> >>>>>>>>>> ballots for PTM, and am going to the opera today to see
> >> Aida
> >>>>>>> (football
> >>>>>>>>> fan
> >>>>>>>>>> alert--Franco Harris is leading the Grand March in the
> >> opera
> >>>>>> today)
> >>>>>>>>>> I spend lots of time practicing and cleaning up leaves. I
> >>>>> mulch
> >>>>>>> some and
> >>>>>>>>>> burn others---yes we are still permitted to burn here.
> >>>>>>>>>> If you missed it--I also performed at the PTM 50th
> >> Anniversary
> >>>>>>> luncheon.
> >>>>>>>>>> See the most recent issue of PTM Trolley Fare, Fred
> >> Schneider
> >>>>>> took
> >>>>>>> some
> >>>>>>>>>> great images.
> >>>>>>>>>> Dennis F. Cramer
> >>>>>>>>>> http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 05:49:49 -0700
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: pcc_sr at yahoo.com
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] still having issues
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Stereo-vision isn't it Mr.Cramer! Soapbox opportunity;
> >> make
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> most
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> it!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> You have not recently mentioned anything about your
> >> concert
> >>>>> or
> >>>>>>> music
> >>>>>>>>>> engagements.
> >>>>>>>>>>> I find them fascinating. Music is not at all unlike
> >> laughter
> >>>>>> is
> >>>>>>> it;
> >>>>>>>>>> both speak a universal language.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes; BB are the last posts I have seen. There was not
> >> much
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>> anything
> >>>>>>>>>> before your BB posts for several weeks. You mentioned a
> >> book
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>>> relation
> >>>>>>>>>> to this; please tell more.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Phil
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10/19/13, DF Cramer <alto_trombone at hotmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] still having issues
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org" <
> >>>>>>>>>> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Saturday, October 19, 2013, 3:52 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> it seemed very interesting that after
> >>>>>>>>>>> I posted on the list, several emails came through. I
> >> assume
> >>>>>> people
> >>>>>>>>> were
> >>>>>>>>>> responding with reply all. I have received no posts from
> >> the
> >>>>>> list
> >>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>>> than those dealing with Billy Baxter.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dennis F. Cramer
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
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> >>>>>>>>> *In Pittsburgh...*
> >>>>>>>>> *......the Greatest City In The U.S.*
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> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Herb Brannon
> >>>>>>>> *In Pittsburgh...*
> >>>>>>>> *......the Greatest City In The U.S.*
> >>>>>>>> Let's Go Pens
> >>>>>>>> Let's Go Steelers
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