[PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
Dwight Long
dwightlong at verizon.net
Mon Oct 28 17:54:09 EDT 2013
Fred
If you are talking about da Burgh, my recollection is that both Boggs & Buhls and Rosenbaum's went under before Gimbels.
But if you mean Lancaster------------
Dwight
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Schneider
To: Western PA Trolley discussion
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
Herb, I am not insulting Adam Gimbel. I am using "cheap" in the English language sense, not the way the American's have adulterated it to mean "crappy" or "no good". It means economical, as in the "cheap day return ticket" in Britain … translated means the bargain one day round trip ticket.
Gimbels was the cheap (bargain) store but they were not in a position to compete with the likes of WalMart and it this area they were the first department store to fold. If I had to make a comparison, it would be the British Home Store … yes I have a favorite shirt with a BHS label. That's what happens when you vacationed so many times in Britain.
Sadly, Gimbels was not only the economical store but locally they had some of the worst help too. He could not stay in business when WalMart or K-Mart had no help and he was paying for doofuses. I remember one day I went into the Gimbels store to buy something for my wife. A friend who was a PennDOT attorney was with me. He had just returned from a vacation in Japan. I could not get any of the sales girls to wait on me. They were all having a hen party. So I lead Gareth over until we were within hearing range of the goofing off sales clerks, and then looked at him and said, "Is it true what you told me … that in Japan the sales clerks actually are hired to wait on the customers?" He played it to the hilt and those girls went balistic. How dare you insult them by expecting them to work. They told us off at full volume. And naturally, we went to another store in the mall. I think I saw some other customers evacuating Adam Gimbel's store.
I think there were some other problems too. Each region operated independently. My charge card for Gimbels in Lancaster was only good in the Philadelphia region stores. It was not valid in Pittsburgh or Chicago. It might get immediate clearance for a temporary card there but I had to apply there if I wanted credit.
Of course, doesn't matter. They are gone.
Saks? No such thing here. Nearest is in King of Prussia. And I never heard of a Barneys…. New York store isn't it?
Lancaster County, Pa., was an area that thrived through the 1980s and then crashed. For many years we had lower wage rates than the national average, which means it isn't the place people who want really high wages come but it might be where a corporation wants to come to build a factory. All through the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, one company after another came here to exploit the cheap labor and the "Amish work ethic." The result was a doubling of the population from 1950 to 2000. But when you stress the local economy and push the unemployment rate down to half the national unemployment rate (it was actually as low here as 1.4 percent in the summer of 1964), that puts extreme pressure on wages. They rose. Unions become popular. So popular that one by one the factories close and the corporations decide we don't don't need this shit. This was a major garment manufacturing center … all those plants closed. Roughly 10,000 shoe, garment and textile jobs vanished. Those jobs went first to Mexico under the North American Free Trade Agreement and then to China and southeast Asia. A lot of recreational vehicle plants were built here in the 1980s … we decided fuel is too expensive to tow those trailers so those plant closed. Armstrong once employed several thousand people here making linoleum and other resilient floor coverings …. they still do it but in right-to-work states and in new plants on one floor. In the 1960s RCA had about 3000 people building color TV sets here and in Wilkes-Barre; then they were introduced to Sony. Hamilton Watch used to employ almost 2000 people making watches … no one wants quality watches … the last remnant of the company was sold to a Swiss firm … they're "out of here" and the building is an apartment now. We still have manufacturing but its about half the number of workers we had in that sector in 1970. We now have unemployment over 6% and routine shootings and burglaries as a means of supporting each other … it's called income transfer. We no longer have any upper end stores. We don't have as many upper income people today. I guess they're in Dallas today. But at my age, no reason to move.
The sad thing about the crash here, Herb, was unlike Pittsburgh, it affected a young population to begin with. When steel went down in 1982 in Pittsburgh, it wasn't something new. They already had 20 years of on-again, off-again problems with the mills. Allegheny County's population was relatively stable after 1930 in the 1.4 to 1.6 million range. It actually began dropping from 1.629 million in 1960 to 1.450 million before the big collapse of steel in 1982 … the kids were already leaving home and going where the jobs were. You cannot have really high unemployment when people go directly from working to pensions … they are out of the labor force.
But Lancaster was still growing rapidly when our crash came. We had 212,000 in 1940 and 423,000 in 1990 when things began to soften, 471,000 in 2000 and 519,000 in 2010. Part of the anomaly of a tapering economy along with growth is that we have also found ourselves within commuting distance of Philadelphia's suburban job market and now the same for the northeastern suburbs of Baltimore. For a while, until the state began to decide they didn't want workers, the northwestern part of this county was also attractive for people working in the state capital … only 20 minutes away on the train. Trouble is, Herb, if that guy gets laid off in Philadelphia he is still among the 6.5% unemployed in Lancaster. And, as you can see from those numbers, we have over 50,000 homes built in the last 40 years …. not the same as someone who built a house in Pittsburgh in 1935. When you have a couple who built a house in 1990 and the area crashes and they still have a mortgage, you have problems.
On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Herb Brannon wrote:
> Don't let Adam Gimble hear you say that. Oh yes, I forgot.............all
> you Lancaster people only shop at Barneys and Saks.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>wrote:
>
>> Ah yes, Gimbels … the cheap department store. But like so many others
>> driven out of business by K-Mart, WalMart, Target and so forth, it no
>> longer exists.
>>
>> My first introduction to any form of electronic mail was a captive
>> in-house system that the state operated for its own departmental
>> operations. Today it's own system has been scrapped and it is using the
>> internet. But it was a fantastic system that allowed us to get stuff out
>> of Harrisburg the same day they got it … of course transmission was
>> excruciatingly slow.
>>
>> The earliest memory I have of any such system, however rudimentary, was
>> the state Job Bank which would have been in the very early 1970s. All job
>> orders, referral and placement transactions were scanned with a slow speed
>> rotary drum scanner about the same number of lines as an old television
>> screen and then sent over telephone lines to Harrisburg to be be processed
>> into the main frame computer.
>>
>> Hard to believe that, in the space of forty years, we have gone from that
>> to being able to send letters and photographs and drawings back and forth
>> to buddies anywhere in the world in real time. We can all remember when a
>> letter to Europe took a week to be delivered and now, if we are both awake
>> and near our computers at the same time, I can pass a half dozen e-mails
>> back and forth to the same person in Vienna or Berlin or rural eastern
>> England …. as we watch the postal service go bankrupt.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 8:13 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>> There was a "kinda" Internet back in the early/mid 1980s. It was nothing
>>> like we're using today, however.
>>>
>>> I had just bought a brand new Commodore 64 complete system at Gimbles in
>>> downtown Pittsburgh. Interesting that both Gimbles and the Commodore 64
>>> have gone to the museum of memories. My C64 was very "cutting edge" for
>>> 1983/84 inasmuch as I had the keyboard, monitor ( nothing more than a
>>> television set with only green and black color), dataset (for programs
>> and
>>> storage on cassette tape), two (mind you, two !) floppy disk drives (so I
>>> didn't have to switch between program and data-storage disks on only one
>>> disk drive), and a dot-matrix printer with these little DIP switches in
>> the
>>> back which could be set to produce ten different print styles, and a
>> little
>>> rectangle shaped box which plugged into the back of the keyboard and was
>>> called a "modem". For what I paid for all that stuff I could have used
>> that
>>> same dollar amount today and purchased three or four complete computer
>>> set-ups.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I wanted to use this investment to its fullest so I signed up for
>>> this service which was advertised as "connecting computers and their
>> users"
>>> for the purpose of transmitting "mail-like electronic messages" and
>>> providing "interest groups" on varying subject matter. It was, for all
>>> purposes, the beginning of the Internet. The "Mail-like electronic
>> message"
>>> service was called MCI Mail. You could send messages to other users who
>>> were on this system and you could also sent messages to people not on the
>>> service via this MCI Mail in selected US cities. For people not hooked
>> into
>>> the "network" via computer, the messages went to a MCI facility (located
>> in
>>> several major cities, Pittsburgh included) and were then delivered by a
>>> messenger to any address in downtown Pittsburgh or the downtown area of
>> the
>>> other cities in the network. The drawbacks were many, including the
>>> messenger service, the fact that only the downtown areas of several major
>>> cities could be accessed via this service, and the cost. This service
>> last
>>> only a few months as more and more people and businesses began using
>>> computers and became connected.
>>>
>>> There were no photographs on this system, only plain text. However, it
>> was
>>> the start of what we have today and I'm happy that I was a part of it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:00 PM, John Swindler <j_swindler at hotmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In 1968/9 Point Park College had a relatively new IBM System 360
>> computer.
>>>> It was a stand alone unit about 5-6 feet high. An instructor said that
>>>> the CPU took up less than a foot of this height - the rest was empty
>> space.
>>>> This was to fool purchasing agents who expected computers to be big and
>>>> bulky. Miniaturization was already occurring.
>>>>
>>>> Doubt if you were thinking of using the internet in early 1980s, Fred.
>>>> Mid-1990s, perhaps, but not 1980s.
>>>>
>>>> A problem in the 1980s was the proliferation of computer manufacturers
>> and
>>>> non-compatible software. Also speed even when there was a program that
>>>> could convert from one language to another. We're talking 8086 and 286
>>>> chips. Today it seems that instantaneous just doesn't seem fast
>> enough. I
>>>> remember a LOTUS 1-2-3 spreadsheet. Enter a bunch of data, tell it to
>>>> compute, then go for a cup of coffee. It was used to produce the
>>>> Pennsylvania Mass Transit Statistical Report.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 02:04:10 +0000
>>>>> From: bobrathke at comcast.net
>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of us from the 1970's have these computer stories, Fred. I used
>> my
>>>> first word processor in 1979 - a Digital computer the size of a small
>>>> refrigerator with a 9" monochrome screen, plus a noisy daisy-wheel
>> impact
>>>> printer. Hardly desktop, and no hard drive - the word processing
>> program
>>>> ran from an 8" floppy, and documents were stored on another 8" floppy.
>>>> Those floppies had the massive capacity of 840KB each. That Digital
>>>> computer cost $12,000, but it wasn't linked to anything, so in 1980 the
>>>> company bought a modem to connect to another computer. That modem cost
>> $750.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
>>>> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 7:48:16 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob,
>>>>>
>>>>> I can recall when the state had a mammoth computer room in the L&I
>>>> Building in Harrisburg to handle all Employment Service data reporting
>> and
>>>> all the Unemployment Claims …. huge place on a raised floor to
>> accommodate
>>>> both the cabling and the air-conditing ducts to keep the main frame
>>>> computers cool.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today I know what is sitting on my desk … each of them …. has far more
>>>> power than what put the man on the moon back in the 1960s. Probably
>> the
>>>> computers in most of our cars have more ooomph than that computer that
>> put
>>>> Armstrong on the moon.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the early 1980s, I was the head of an occupational information
>>>> program in Pennsylvania to provide data to schools and anyone else who
>>>> might need it … mostly for counseling kids. The federal government
>> wanted
>>>> it all done on main frame computers. In Pennsylvania, we were thinking
>>>> about doing it on desk top computers and passing out the information on
>>>> floppy disks or linking them by this new internet to desk tops in
>>>> Harrisburg. Washington told me that if we tried to do it that way, we
>>>> would not be given any grant money. Obviously someone who was making
>> main
>>>> frame computers had lobbied heavily to have things done his way.
>> Funny
>>>> thing about that … two years later, my successor told me that I had been
>>>> right and we're doing it your way.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not your grandmother's Buick….
>>>>>
>>>>> Fred
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In 1965 I wrote and produced a slide presentation for training U.S.
>>>> Steel's customer service people in their offices around the U.S. I made
>>>> several visits to the Muriel St. facility to get background information
>> on
>>>> U.S. Steel's computer capabilities. I remember being impressed with the
>>>> building's climate controlled environment and the raised floors to
>>>> accomodate under-floor computer cables.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today, an i-pad is probably more powerful that the computer system in
>>>> that building in 1965.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Derrick Brashear" <shadow at dementix.org>
>>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
>>>> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:05:40 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it's a computer center
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Bob Rathke <bobrathke at comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the 1970's, USS's Muriel St. facility was the Direct Mail Center -
>>>>>>> computer operations, literature storage and fulfillment. If it's
>>>> still
>>>>>>> there, I'm not sure about its current function.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
>>>>>>> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:14 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems that back in the "big steel" days the main producers of
>>>> smoke and
>>>>>>> fire were the USS Homestead Works and just about everything J & L had
>>>>>>> operating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> USS also has some type of operation on Muriel Street in Southside.
>>>> I'm not
>>>>>>> sure what they do there, however. USS also has a research center in
>>>>>>> Homestead still operating. Even with all these operating facilities,
>>>> the
>>>>>>> number of people employed by USS comes nowhere near what those
>>>> facilities
>>>>>>> used to employ.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Dwight Long <
>> dwightlong at verizon.net
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Herb
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But Irvin works is not a primary producer but rather a rolling mill
>>>> (as
>>>>>>>> you said) and so would not generate the "fire and brimstone" that
>>>>>>>> characterized a primary steel producer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I went by Clairton on a train in July and did not notice any smoke
>> at
>>>>>>> all,
>>>>>>>> just some condensed water vapor. I think the coking processes are
>> so
>>>>>>>> contained these days that very little emissions emanate from it.
>>>> Besides
>>>>>>>> environmental concerns, the steelmakers have learned that the
>>>> effluents
>>>>>>>> from the coke making process are valuable by products that need to
>> be
>>>>>>>> trapped and sold. The days of the beehive coke ovens that spewed
>>>> all the
>>>>>>>> byproducts into the atmosphere are long gone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dwight
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: Herb Brannon
>>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:41 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bob R,
>>>>>>>> It still had that "orange glow" when I first moved here in 1972.
>>>> Plus,
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> atmospheric conditions were right, it smelled like fire &
>>>> brimstone,
>>>>>>>> everywhere. Even today, on humid days, I still smell the "fire &
>>>>>>>> brimstone" coming from the Irvin Works just over the hill (on Camp
>>>>>>> Hollow
>>>>>>>> Rd) to the south-east of my place.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Contrary to popular opinion steel is not dead in Pittsburgh. The
>>>>>>> Clairton
>>>>>>>> Works still produces coke as it always did, the Edgar Thompson
>>>> Works
>>>>>>>> makes
>>>>>>>> primary steel, the Irvin Works produces rolled steel and the
>>>> relatively
>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>> Mckeesport Tubular Works (old National Works, now reopened) makes
>>>>>>> tubular
>>>>>>>> products for the Marcellus Shale drilling industry. So the sulphur
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> fire
>>>>>>>> & brimstone can still be smelled on humid days and the orange glow
>>>> is
>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>> available in Braddock and Clairton.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Bob Rathke <bobrathke at comcast.net
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Driving south from Zelienople at night in the 1950's you didn't
>>>> need
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> compass to locate Pittsburgh - the sky there always had an orange
>>>>>>> glow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
>>>>>>>>> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:09 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Was chatting with some PTM visitors yesterday, and among the
>>>>>>> "Pittsburg
>>>>>>>>> smells" mentioned was J&L sulfur smell upon exiting Squirrel Hill
>>>>>>>> Tunnels
>>>>>>>>> and heading downgrade to Brady St. exit. They were old enough
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> remember
>>>>>>>>> air pollution from late 1940s - (before my time).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
>>>>>>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:04:35 -0400
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Herb
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In Beaver burning next to the curb was OK on concrete streets
>>>> (we
>>>>>>>> lived
>>>>>>>>> on one) or brick ones (still several left in the 50s) but not on
>>>>>>>> asphalt
>>>>>>>>> nor tarred ones!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tar? When I was in first or second grade I came home from
>>>> school
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> lunch. On the way back to school the alley that I used as a
>>>> shortcut
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> being freshly tarred. I followed the tar dispensing truck,
>>>>>>> fascinated.
>>>>>>>>> When I got to school I was sent home immediately. I looked
>>>> like the
>>>>>>>>> proverbial tarbaby. Lots of turpentine and stiff scrubbing
>>>> later,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> new suit of clothes, I returned and was admitted.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And we still had plenty of coal furnaces in our town back then,
>>>>>>>> although
>>>>>>>>> our house used gas. I well recall the smell of the coal burning
>>>> on
>>>>>>>> cold
>>>>>>>>> winter days whilst delivering the Pittsburgh Press to my paper
>>>> route
>>>>>>>>> customers. The last time I encountered that smell was just a few
>>>>>>>> years ago
>>>>>>>>> in a suburb of Budapest while fotting the trams there. Brought
>>>> back
>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>> memories!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dwight
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb Brannon
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 21 October, 2013 10:48
>>>>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves
>>>>>>>>>> When I was a child, in Akron, the common practice was to burn
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> leaves
>>>>>>>>>> in the street but along the curb stones. Sometimes the piles of
>>>>>>>> leaves
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>> so large that the fires would become too large and would
>>>> spread to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> treelawn. Then the fire department would be called to put out
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> fires.
>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>> made for an exciting day or evening. Ranking right up there
>>>> with
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> smell
>>>>>>>>>> of burning leaves are also the smell of coal smoke and the
>>>> smell of
>>>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>>>>> tar.............three of the "little joys of life" now gone by
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> wayside.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Dwight Long <
>>>>>>>> dwightlong at verizon.net
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Herb
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I can remember back in the 50s coming back to Beaver from
>>>> auto
>>>>>>>> trips to
>>>>>>>>>>> the East that involved the Pa Turnpike—we would use the
>>>>>>> Warrendale
>>>>>>>>> exit and
>>>>>>>>>>> the back roads to Beaver. Coming down into the (Beaver)
>>>> valley
>>>>>>>> off the
>>>>>>>>>>> hill the whole floor of the valley would be engulfed in leaf
>>>>>>> smoke.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Unhealthy, they say, but it sure did convey the impression
>>>> that
>>>>>>>> Autumn
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> upon us!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dwight
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb Brannon
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 20 October, 2013 10:36
>>>>>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Phil asked about music
>>>>>>>>>>> You mentioned something I really miss.............the smell
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> burning
>>>>>>>>>>> leaves in October.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 8:37 AM, DF Cramer <
>>>>>>>> alto_trombone at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, what have I been up to? The beginning of the month I
>>>>>>>> performed
>>>>>>>>>>>> Copland, Brahms, & Dvorak with the Butler County
>>>> Symphony,our
>>>>>>> (my
>>>>>>>>> wife
>>>>>>>>>>>> plays cello) 28th season with the ensemble. I am back at
>>>> IUP
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> delivered
>>>>>>>>>>>> two arrangements of French Noels from the Baroque period to
>>>>>>>> begin the
>>>>>>>>>>>> semester and last week conducted a first reading of my "The
>>>>>>>> Eternal
>>>>>>>>>>> Flame",
>>>>>>>>>>>> a commemorative piece for double trombone choir and
>>>> narrator I
>>>>>>>> wrote
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> mark the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination.
>>>> All of
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> performed on November 19 at the university. Next week I
>>>> perform
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> IUP
>>>>>>>>>>>> brass & organ faculty at Zion Lutheran in Indiana for
>>>>>>> Reformation
>>>>>>>>> Sunday
>>>>>>>>>>>> and the following week we are doing Charlie Chaplin's "City
>>>>>>>> Lights"
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Butler. Chaplin created the musical score for this silent
>>>> film
>>>>>>>> and we
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> be showing the film as we perform. (Side note: if you want
>>>>>>>> tickets
>>>>>>>>> let me
>>>>>>>>>>>> know as soon as possible--I usually get 4 free ones)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, I spent quality time with Ed at the
>>>> Alle-Kiski
>>>>>>>>>>> Historical
>>>>>>>>>>>> Society, led a new operator training class at PTM, printed
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> stuffed
>>>>>>>>>>>> ballots for PTM, and am going to the opera today to see
>>>> Aida
>>>>>>>>> (football
>>>>>>>>>>> fan
>>>>>>>>>>>> alert--Franco Harris is leading the Grand March in the
>>>> opera
>>>>>>>> today)
>>>>>>>>>>>> I spend lots of time practicing and cleaning up leaves. I
>>>>>>> mulch
>>>>>>>>> some and
>>>>>>>>>>>> burn others---yes we are still permitted to burn here.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you missed it--I also performed at the PTM 50th
>>>> Anniversary
>>>>>>>>> luncheon.
>>>>>>>>>>>> See the most recent issue of PTM Trolley Fare, Fred
>>>> Schneider
>>>>>>>> took
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>> great images.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis F. Cramer
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 05:49:49 -0700
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: pcc_sr at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] still having issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stereo-vision isn't it Mr.Cramer! Soapbox opportunity;
>>>> make
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have not recently mentioned anything about your
>>>> concert
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> music
>>>>>>>>>>>> engagements.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I find them fascinating. Music is not at all unlike
>>>> laughter
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> it;
>>>>>>>>>>>> both speak a universal language.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes; BB are the last posts I have seen. There was not
>>>> much
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>>>>> before your BB posts for several weeks. You mentioned a
>>>> book
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> relation
>>>>>>>>>>>> to this; please tell more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10/19/13, DF Cramer <alto_trombone at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] still having issues
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org" <
>>>>>>>>>>>> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Saturday, October 19, 2013, 3:52 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it seemed very interesting that after
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I posted on the list, several emails came through. I
>>>> assume
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>> responding with reply all. I have received no posts from
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>> than those dealing with Billy Baxter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis F. Cramer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Herb Brannon
>>>>>>>>>>> *In Pittsburgh...*
>>>>>>>>>>> *......the Greatest City In The U.S.*
>>>>>>>>>>> Let's Go Pens
>>>>>>>>>>> Let's Go Steelers
>>>>>>>>>>>
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