[PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
Dwight Long
dwightlong at verizon.net
Mon Oct 28 20:29:57 EDT 2013
Herb
The speaker at the LBHS seminar Fri-Sat spoke very presentable Pittsburghese. And he is a former HS English teacher!
Dwight
----- Original Message -----
From: Herb Brannon
To: Western PA Trolley discussion
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
Interesting is the use of "dawntawn" in one post. One is very hard pressed
to find anyone speaking in that formerly common "Pittsburghese" form of
speech. I noticed this when I moved back and started checking out why the
corruption of certain words is no longer heard and found out, from a group
of people now between 30 and 50 years old, that the Pittsburgh Public
Schools actually mandated that students be taught the proper pronunciation
of the language. It apparently worked. I have heard only one person speak
Pittsburghese, out of hundreds of people I have had conversations with,
since April, 2013.
Oh yes, also for Fred.......what did you want me to delete without
reading?? I saw nothing in that short sentence that was life changing for
me. I will be the judge of what I read or delete.........thanks anyway.
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>wrote:
> Long befo. I thought Boggs and Buhl closed about 1950 because my
> mother's brother told a story of how he went to their going out of business
> sale to buy clothing for his kids … he had moved up to Cheswick in the huge
> Nov. 1950 storm. The story concluded with the store forgetting to send
> him the charge account bill and when he called to ask where it was, all
> their phones were disconnected.
>
> But this link claims it closed as a result of the opening of North Hills
> Mall in 1955 and the actual closure was in 1960.
>
> http://buhlplanetarium2.tripod.com/bio/boggsbuhl.htm
>
> Rosenbaums on Liberty Avenue dawntawn apparently also closed in 1960.
>
> http://www.lifeinwesternpa.org/viewDetail.asp?ID=56
>
> Gimbel's closed sometime in 1986 or 1987. The problem with having family
> that was in Pittsburgh back to the time of the Civil War is someone always
> told you of this or that connection. In this case, it was an aunt of my
> mom's who worked for Kauffman and Bear, the firm that had the store at 6th
> and Smithfield before Gimbel's.
>
>
> http://departmentstoremuseum.blogspot.com/2010/06/gimbels-pittsburgh-pennsylvania.html
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimbels
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/army_arch/293068499/
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Dwight Long wrote:
>
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > If you are talking about da Burgh, my recollection is that both Boggs &
> Buhls and Rosenbaum's went under before Gimbels.
> >
> > But if you mean Lancaster------------
> >
> > Dwight
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Fred Schneider
> > To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >
> >
> > Herb, I am not insulting Adam Gimbel. I am using "cheap" in the
> English language sense, not the way the American's have adulterated it to
> mean "crappy" or "no good". It means economical, as in the "cheap day
> return ticket" in Britain … translated means the bargain one day round trip
> ticket.
> >
> > Gimbels was the cheap (bargain) store but they were not in a position
> to compete with the likes of WalMart and it this area they were the first
> department store to fold. If I had to make a comparison, it would be the
> British Home Store … yes I have a favorite shirt with a BHS label. That's
> what happens when you vacationed so many times in Britain.
> >
> > Sadly, Gimbels was not only the economical store but locally they had
> some of the worst help too. He could not stay in business when WalMart or
> K-Mart had no help and he was paying for doofuses. I remember one day I
> went into the Gimbels store to buy something for my wife. A friend who
> was a PennDOT attorney was with me. He had just returned from a vacation
> in Japan. I could not get any of the sales girls to wait on me. They
> were all having a hen party. So I lead Gareth over until we were within
> hearing range of the goofing off sales clerks, and then looked at him and
> said, "Is it true what you told me … that in Japan the sales clerks
> actually are hired to wait on the customers?" He played it to the hilt
> and those girls went balistic. How dare you insult them by expecting them
> to work. They told us off at full volume. And naturally, we went to
> another store in the mall. I think I saw some other customers evacuating
> Adam Gimbel's store.
> >
> > I think there were some other problems too. Each region operated
> independently. My charge card for Gimbels in Lancaster was only good in
> the Philadelphia region stores. It was not valid in Pittsburgh or
> Chicago. It might get immediate clearance for a temporary card there but
> I had to apply there if I wanted credit.
> >
> > Of course, doesn't matter. They are gone.
> >
> > Saks? No such thing here. Nearest is in King of Prussia. And I
> never heard of a Barneys…. New York store isn't it?
> >
> > Lancaster County, Pa., was an area that thrived through the 1980s and
> then crashed. For many years we had lower wage rates than the national
> average, which means it isn't the place people who want really high wages
> come but it might be where a corporation wants to come to build a factory.
> All through the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, one company after another came here
> to exploit the cheap labor and the "Amish work ethic." The result was a
> doubling of the population from 1950 to 2000. But when you stress the
> local economy and push the unemployment rate down to half the national
> unemployment rate (it was actually as low here as 1.4 percent in the summer
> of 1964), that puts extreme pressure on wages. They rose. Unions become
> popular. So popular that one by one the factories close and the
> corporations decide we don't don't need this shit. This was a major
> garment manufacturing center … all those plants closed. Roughly 10,000
> shoe, garment and textile jobs vanished. Those jobs went first to Mexico
> under the North American Free Trade Agreement and then to China and
> southeast Asia. A lot of recreational vehicle plants were built here in
> the 1980s … we decided fuel is too expensive to tow those trailers so those
> plant closed. Armstrong once employed several thousand people here making
> linoleum and other resilient floor coverings …. they still do it but in
> right-to-work states and in new plants on one floor. In the 1960s RCA had
> about 3000 people building color TV sets here and in Wilkes-Barre; then
> they were introduced to Sony. Hamilton Watch used to employ almost 2000
> people making watches … no one wants quality watches … the last remnant of
> the company was sold to a Swiss firm … they're "out of here" and the
> building is an apartment now. We still have manufacturing but its about
> half the number of workers we had in that sector in 1970. We now have
> unemployment over 6% and routine shootings and burglaries as a means of
> supporting each other … it's called income transfer. We no longer have
> any upper end stores. We don't have as many upper income people today.
> I guess they're in Dallas today. But at my age, no reason to move.
> >
> > The sad thing about the crash here, Herb, was unlike Pittsburgh, it
> affected a young population to begin with. When steel went down in 1982
> in Pittsburgh, it wasn't something new. They already had 20 years of
> on-again, off-again problems with the mills. Allegheny County's population
> was relatively stable after 1930 in the 1.4 to 1.6 million range. It
> actually began dropping from 1.629 million in 1960 to 1.450 million before
> the big collapse of steel in 1982 … the kids were already leaving home and
> going where the jobs were. You cannot have really high unemployment when
> people go directly from working to pensions … they are out of the labor
> force.
> >
> > But Lancaster was still growing rapidly when our crash came. We had
> 212,000 in 1940 and 423,000 in 1990 when things began to soften, 471,000 in
> 2000 and 519,000 in 2010. Part of the anomaly of a tapering economy along
> with growth is that we have also found ourselves within commuting distance
> of Philadelphia's suburban job market and now the same for the northeastern
> suburbs of Baltimore. For a while, until the state began to decide they
> didn't want workers, the northwestern part of this county was also
> attractive for people working in the state capital … only 20 minutes away
> on the train. Trouble is, Herb, if that guy gets laid off in Philadelphia
> he is still among the 6.5% unemployed in Lancaster. And, as you can see
> from those numbers, we have over 50,000 homes built in the last 40 years ….
> not the same as someone who built a house in Pittsburgh in 1935. When
> you have a couple who built a house in 1990 and the area crashes and they
> still have a mortgage, you have problems.
> >
> > On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Herb Brannon wrote:
> >
> >> Don't let Adam Gimble hear you say that. Oh yes, I
> forgot.............all
> >> you Lancaster people only shop at Barneys and Saks.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Fred Schneider <
> fwschneider at comcast.net>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ah yes, Gimbels … the cheap department store. But like so many others
> >>> driven out of business by K-Mart, WalMart, Target and so forth, it no
> >>> longer exists.
> >>>
> >>> My first introduction to any form of electronic mail was a captive
> >>> in-house system that the state operated for its own departmental
> >>> operations. Today it's own system has been scrapped and it is using the
> >>> internet. But it was a fantastic system that allowed us to get stuff
> out
> >>> of Harrisburg the same day they got it … of course transmission was
> >>> excruciatingly slow.
> >>>
> >>> The earliest memory I have of any such system, however rudimentary, was
> >>> the state Job Bank which would have been in the very early 1970s.
> All job
> >>> orders, referral and placement transactions were scanned with a slow
> speed
> >>> rotary drum scanner about the same number of lines as an old television
> >>> screen and then sent over telephone lines to Harrisburg to be be
> processed
> >>> into the main frame computer.
> >>>
> >>> Hard to believe that, in the space of forty years, we have gone from
> that
> >>> to being able to send letters and photographs and drawings back and
> forth
> >>> to buddies anywhere in the world in real time. We can all remember
> when a
> >>> letter to Europe took a week to be delivered and now, if we are both
> awake
> >>> and near our computers at the same time, I can pass a half dozen
> e-mails
> >>> back and forth to the same person in Vienna or Berlin or rural eastern
> >>> England …. as we watch the postal service go bankrupt.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 8:13 PM, Herb Brannon wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> John,
> >>>> There was a "kinda" Internet back in the early/mid 1980s. It was
> nothing
> >>>> like we're using today, however.
> >>>>
> >>>> I had just bought a brand new Commodore 64 complete system at Gimbles
> in
> >>>> downtown Pittsburgh. Interesting that both Gimbles and the Commodore
> 64
> >>>> have gone to the museum of memories. My C64 was very "cutting edge"
> for
> >>>> 1983/84 inasmuch as I had the keyboard, monitor ( nothing more than a
> >>>> television set with only green and black color), dataset (for programs
> >>> and
> >>>> storage on cassette tape), two (mind you, two !) floppy disk drives
> (so I
> >>>> didn't have to switch between program and data-storage disks on only
> one
> >>>> disk drive), and a dot-matrix printer with these little DIP switches
> in
> >>> the
> >>>> back which could be set to produce ten different print styles, and a
> >>> little
> >>>> rectangle shaped box which plugged into the back of the keyboard and
> was
> >>>> called a "modem". For what I paid for all that stuff I could have used
> >>> that
> >>>> same dollar amount today and purchased three or four complete computer
> >>>> set-ups.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway, I wanted to use this investment to its fullest so I signed up
> for
> >>>> this service which was advertised as "connecting computers and their
> >>> users"
> >>>> for the purpose of transmitting "mail-like electronic messages" and
> >>>> providing "interest groups" on varying subject matter. It was, for all
> >>>> purposes, the beginning of the Internet. The "Mail-like electronic
> >>> message"
> >>>> service was called MCI Mail. You could send messages to other users
> who
> >>>> were on this system and you could also sent messages to people not on
> the
> >>>> service via this MCI Mail in selected US cities. For people not hooked
> >>> into
> >>>> the "network" via computer, the messages went to a MCI facility
> (located
> >>> in
> >>>> several major cities, Pittsburgh included) and were then delivered by
> a
> >>>> messenger to any address in downtown Pittsburgh or the downtown area
> of
> >>> the
> >>>> other cities in the network. The drawbacks were many, including the
> >>>> messenger service, the fact that only the downtown areas of several
> major
> >>>> cities could be accessed via this service, and the cost. This service
> >>> last
> >>>> only a few months as more and more people and businesses began using
> >>>> computers and became connected.
> >>>>
> >>>> There were no photographs on this system, only plain text. However, it
> >>> was
> >>>> the start of what we have today and I'm happy that I was a part of it.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:00 PM, John Swindler <
> j_swindler at hotmail.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In 1968/9 Point Park College had a relatively new IBM System 360
> >>> computer.
> >>>>> It was a stand alone unit about 5-6 feet high. An instructor said
> that
> >>>>> the CPU took up less than a foot of this height - the rest was empty
> >>> space.
> >>>>> This was to fool purchasing agents who expected computers to be big
> and
> >>>>> bulky. Miniaturization was already occurring.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Doubt if you were thinking of using the internet in early 1980s,
> Fred.
> >>>>> Mid-1990s, perhaps, but not 1980s.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A problem in the 1980s was the proliferation of computer
> manufacturers
> >>> and
> >>>>> non-compatible software. Also speed even when there was a program
> that
> >>>>> could convert from one language to another. We're talking 8086 and
> 286
> >>>>> chips. Today it seems that instantaneous just doesn't seem fast
> >>> enough. I
> >>>>> remember a LOTUS 1-2-3 spreadsheet. Enter a bunch of data, tell it
> to
> >>>>> compute, then go for a cup of coffee. It was used to produce the
> >>>>> Pennsylvania Mass Transit Statistical Report.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 02:04:10 +0000
> >>>>>> From: bobrathke at comcast.net
> >>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Most of us from the 1970's have these computer stories, Fred. I
> used
> >>> my
> >>>>> first word processor in 1979 - a Digital computer the size of a small
> >>>>> refrigerator with a 9" monochrome screen, plus a noisy daisy-wheel
> >>> impact
> >>>>> printer. Hardly desktop, and no hard drive - the word processing
> >>> program
> >>>>> ran from an 8" floppy, and documents were stored on another 8"
> floppy.
> >>>>> Those floppies had the massive capacity of 840KB each. That Digital
> >>>>> computer cost $12,000, but it wasn't linked to anything, so in 1980
> the
> >>>>> company bought a modem to connect to another computer. That modem
> cost
> >>> $750.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bob.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> >>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
> >>>>> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 7:48:16 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bob,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I can recall when the state had a mammoth computer room in the L&I
> >>>>> Building in Harrisburg to handle all Employment Service data
> reporting
> >>> and
> >>>>> all the Unemployment Claims …. huge place on a raised floor to
> >>> accommodate
> >>>>> both the cabling and the air-conditing ducts to keep the main frame
> >>>>> computers cool.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Today I know what is sitting on my desk … each of them …. has far
> more
> >>>>> power than what put the man on the moon back in the 1960s. Probably
> >>> the
> >>>>> computers in most of our cars have more ooomph than that computer
> that
> >>> put
> >>>>> Armstrong on the moon.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In the early 1980s, I was the head of an occupational information
> >>>>> program in Pennsylvania to provide data to schools and anyone else
> who
> >>>>> might need it … mostly for counseling kids. The federal government
> >>> wanted
> >>>>> it all done on main frame computers. In Pennsylvania, we were
> thinking
> >>>>> about doing it on desk top computers and passing out the information
> on
> >>>>> floppy disks or linking them by this new internet to desk tops in
> >>>>> Harrisburg. Washington told me that if we tried to do it that way,
> we
> >>>>> would not be given any grant money. Obviously someone who was
> making
> >>> main
> >>>>> frame computers had lobbied heavily to have things done his way.
> >>> Funny
> >>>>> thing about that … two years later, my successor told me that I had
> been
> >>>>> right and we're doing it your way.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's not your grandmother's Buick….
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fred
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Oct 25, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Bob Rathke wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In 1965 I wrote and produced a slide presentation for training U.S.
> >>>>> Steel's customer service people in their offices around the U.S. I
> made
> >>>>> several visits to the Muriel St. facility to get background
> information
> >>> on
> >>>>> U.S. Steel's computer capabilities. I remember being impressed with
> the
> >>>>> building's climate controlled environment and the raised floors to
> >>>>> accomodate under-floor computer cables.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Today, an i-pad is probably more powerful that the computer system
> in
> >>>>> that building in 1965.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Bob
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: "Derrick Brashear" <shadow at dementix.org>
> >>>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
> >>>>> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:05:40 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> it's a computer center
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Bob Rathke <
> bobrathke at comcast.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In the 1970's, USS's Muriel St. facility was the Direct Mail
> Center -
> >>>>>>>> computer operations, literature storage and fulfillment. If it's
> >>>>> still
> >>>>>>>> there, I'm not sure about its current function.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at cavtel.net>
> >>>>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
> >>>>>>>> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:14 PM
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It seems that back in the "big steel" days the main producers of
> >>>>> smoke and
> >>>>>>>> fire were the USS Homestead Works and just about everything J & L
> had
> >>>>>>>> operating.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> USS also has some type of operation on Muriel Street in Southside.
> >>>>> I'm not
> >>>>>>>> sure what they do there, however. USS also has a research center
> in
> >>>>>>>> Homestead still operating. Even with all these operating
> facilities,
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> number of people employed by USS comes nowhere near what those
> >>>>> facilities
> >>>>>>>> used to employ.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:53 PM, Dwight Long <
> >>> dwightlong at verizon.net
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Herb
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> But Irvin works is not a primary producer but rather a rolling
> mill
> >>>>> (as
> >>>>>>>>> you said) and so would not generate the "fire and brimstone" that
> >>>>>>>>> characterized a primary steel producer.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I went by Clairton on a train in July and did not notice any
> smoke
> >>> at
> >>>>>>>> all,
> >>>>>>>>> just some condensed water vapor. I think the coking processes
> are
> >>> so
> >>>>>>>>> contained these days that very little emissions emanate from it.
> >>>>> Besides
> >>>>>>>>> environmental concerns, the steelmakers have learned that the
> >>>>> effluents
> >>>>>>>>> from the coke making process are valuable by products that need
> to
> >>> be
> >>>>>>>>> trapped and sold. The days of the beehive coke ovens that spewed
> >>>>> all the
> >>>>>>>>> byproducts into the atmosphere are long gone.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Dwight
> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>> From: Herb Brannon
> >>>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:41 PM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Bob R,
> >>>>>>>>> It still had that "orange glow" when I first moved here in 1972.
> >>>>> Plus,
> >>>>>>>>> when
> >>>>>>>>> atmospheric conditions were right, it smelled like fire &
> >>>>> brimstone,
> >>>>>>>>> everywhere. Even today, on humid days, I still smell the "fire &
> >>>>>>>>> brimstone" coming from the Irvin Works just over the hill (on
> Camp
> >>>>>>>> Hollow
> >>>>>>>>> Rd) to the south-east of my place.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Contrary to popular opinion steel is not dead in Pittsburgh. The
> >>>>>>>> Clairton
> >>>>>>>>> Works still produces coke as it always did, the Edgar Thompson
> >>>>> Works
> >>>>>>>>> makes
> >>>>>>>>> primary steel, the Irvin Works produces rolled steel and the
> >>>>> relatively
> >>>>>>>>> new
> >>>>>>>>> Mckeesport Tubular Works (old National Works, now reopened) makes
> >>>>>>>> tubular
> >>>>>>>>> products for the Marcellus Shale drilling industry. So the
> sulphur
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> fire
> >>>>>>>>> & brimstone can still be smelled on humid days and the orange
> glow
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>> still
> >>>>>>>>> available in Braddock and Clairton.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Bob Rathke <
> bobrathke at comcast.net
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Driving south from Zelienople at night in the 1950's you didn't
> >>>>> need
> >>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>> compass to locate Pittsburgh - the sky there always had an
> orange
> >>>>>>>> glow.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> From: "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> To: "Western PA Trolley discussion" <
> >>>>>>>>>> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 10:16:09 AM
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Was chatting with some PTM visitors yesterday, and among the
> >>>>>>>> "Pittsburg
> >>>>>>>>>> smells" mentioned was J&L sulfur smell upon exiting Squirrel
> Hill
> >>>>>>>>> Tunnels
> >>>>>>>>>> and heading downgrade to Brady St. exit. They were old enough
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> remember
> >>>>>>>>>> air pollution from late 1940s - (before my time).
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: dwightlong at verizon.net
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:04:35 -0400
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves--and Coal
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Herb
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In Beaver burning next to the curb was OK on concrete streets
> >>>>> (we
> >>>>>>>>> lived
> >>>>>>>>>> on one) or brick ones (still several left in the 50s) but not on
> >>>>>>>>> asphalt
> >>>>>>>>>> nor tarred ones!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Tar? When I was in first or second grade I came home from
> >>>>> school
> >>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>> lunch. On the way back to school the alley that I used as a
> >>>>> shortcut
> >>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>> being freshly tarred. I followed the tar dispensing truck,
> >>>>>>>> fascinated.
> >>>>>>>>>> When I got to school I was sent home immediately. I looked
> >>>>> like the
> >>>>>>>>>> proverbial tarbaby. Lots of turpentine and stiff scrubbing
> >>>>> later,
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>> new suit of clothes, I returned and was admitted.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> And we still had plenty of coal furnaces in our town back then,
> >>>>>>>>> although
> >>>>>>>>>> our house used gas. I well recall the smell of the coal burning
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>> cold
> >>>>>>>>>> winter days whilst delivering the Pittsburgh Press to my paper
> >>>>> route
> >>>>>>>>>> customers. The last time I encountered that smell was just a
> few
> >>>>>>>>> years ago
> >>>>>>>>>> in a suburb of Budapest while fotting the trams there. Brought
> >>>>> back
> >>>>>>>>> many
> >>>>>>>>>> memories!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dwight
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb Brannon
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 21 October, 2013 10:48
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Burning Leaves
> >>>>>>>>>>> When I was a child, in Akron, the common practice was to burn
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> leaves
> >>>>>>>>>>> in the street but along the curb stones. Sometimes the piles of
> >>>>>>>>> leaves
> >>>>>>>>>> were
> >>>>>>>>>>> so large that the fires would become too large and would
> >>>>> spread to
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> treelawn. Then the fire department would be called to put out
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> fires.
> >>>>>>>>>> It
> >>>>>>>>>>> made for an exciting day or evening. Ranking right up there
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> smell
> >>>>>>>>>>> of burning leaves are also the smell of coal smoke and the
> >>>>> smell of
> >>>>>>>>> fresh
> >>>>>>>>>>> tar.............three of the "little joys of life" now gone by
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> wayside.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Dwight Long <
> >>>>>>>>> dwightlong at verizon.net
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Herb
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I can remember back in the 50s coming back to Beaver from
> >>>>> auto
> >>>>>>>>> trips to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the East that involved the Pa Turnpike—we would use the
> >>>>>>>> Warrendale
> >>>>>>>>>> exit and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the back roads to Beaver. Coming down into the (Beaver)
> >>>>> valley
> >>>>>>>>> off the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> hill the whole floor of the valley would be engulfed in leaf
> >>>>>>>> smoke.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Unhealthy, they say, but it sure did convey the impression
> >>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>> Autumn
> >>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>> upon us!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dwight
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Herb Brannon
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 20 October, 2013 10:36
> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: Western PA Trolley discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] Phil asked about music
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You mentioned something I really miss.............the smell
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> burning
> >>>>>>>>>>>> leaves in October.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 8:37 AM, DF Cramer <
> >>>>>>>>> alto_trombone at hotmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, what have I been up to? The beginning of the month I
> >>>>>>>>> performed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Copland, Brahms, & Dvorak with the Butler County
> >>>>> Symphony,our
> >>>>>>>> (my
> >>>>>>>>>> wife
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> plays cello) 28th season with the ensemble. I am back at
> >>>>> IUP
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> delivered
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> two arrangements of French Noels from the Baroque period to
> >>>>>>>>> begin the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> semester and last week conducted a first reading of my "The
> >>>>>>>>> Eternal
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Flame",
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a commemorative piece for double trombone choir and
> >>>>> narrator I
> >>>>>>>>> wrote
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> mark the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination.
> >>>>> All of
> >>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> performed on November 19 at the university. Next week I
> >>>>> perform
> >>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>> IUP
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> brass & organ faculty at Zion Lutheran in Indiana for
> >>>>>>>> Reformation
> >>>>>>>>>> Sunday
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and the following week we are doing Charlie Chaplin's "City
> >>>>>>>>> Lights"
> >>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Butler. Chaplin created the musical score for this silent
> >>>>> film
> >>>>>>>>> and we
> >>>>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> be showing the film as we perform. (Side note: if you want
> >>>>>>>>> tickets
> >>>>>>>>>> let me
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> know as soon as possible--I usually get 4 free ones)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, I spent quality time with Ed at the
> >>>>> Alle-Kiski
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Historical
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Society, led a new operator training class at PTM, printed
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> stuffed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ballots for PTM, and am going to the opera today to see
> >>>>> Aida
> >>>>>>>>>> (football
> >>>>>>>>>>>> fan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> alert--Franco Harris is leading the Grand March in the
> >>>>> opera
> >>>>>>>>> today)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I spend lots of time practicing and cleaning up leaves. I
> >>>>>>>> mulch
> >>>>>>>>>> some and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> burn others---yes we are still permitted to burn here.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you missed it--I also performed at the PTM 50th
> >>>>> Anniversary
> >>>>>>>>>> luncheon.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> See the most recent issue of PTM Trolley Fare, Fred
> >>>>> Schneider
> >>>>>>>>> took
> >>>>>>>>>> some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> great images.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis F. Cramer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 05:49:49 -0700
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: pcc_sr at yahoo.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [PRCo] still having issues
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stereo-vision isn't it Mr.Cramer! Soapbox opportunity;
> >>>>> make
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> most
> >>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have not recently mentioned anything about your
> >>>>> concert
> >>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>> music
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> engagements.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I find them fascinating. Music is not at all unlike
> >>>>> laughter
> >>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>> it;
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> both speak a universal language.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes; BB are the last posts I have seen. There was not
> >>>>> much
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> anything
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> before your BB posts for several weeks. You mentioned a
> >>>>> book
> >>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>> relation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to this; please tell more.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 10/19/13, DF Cramer <alto_trombone at hotmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] still having issues
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org" <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> pittsburgh-railways at mailman.dementix.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Saturday, October 19, 2013, 3:52 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it seemed very interesting that after
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I posted on the list, several emails came through. I
> >>>>> assume
> >>>>>>>>> people
> >>>>>>>>>>>> were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> responding with reply all. I have received no posts from
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> list
> >>>>>>>>>> other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> than those dealing with Billy Baxter.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dennis F. Cramer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://home.windstream.net/dfc1/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> *In Pittsburgh...*
> >>>>>>>>>>>> *......the Greatest City In The U.S.*
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> >>>>>>>>>>> *In Pittsburgh...*
> >>>>>>>>>>> *......the Greatest City In The U.S.*
> >>>>>>>>>>> Let's Go Pens
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> >>>>>>>>> Herb Brannon
> >>>>>>>>> *In Pittsburgh...*
> >>>>>>>>> *......the Greatest City In The U.S.*
> >>>>>>>>> Let's Go Pens
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> >>>>>>>> Herb Brannon
> >>>>>>>> *In Pittsburgh...*
> >>>>>>>> *......the Greatest City In The U.S.*
> >>>>>>>> Let's Go Pens
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